1 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:01,880 most I don't know what happened to my 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:05,400 intro I hope I'm not walking over K GRA 3 00:00:12,379 --> 00:00:09,210 radios intro I tested it before the show 4 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:12,389 everything was fine my intro did not 5 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:16,590 work for some reason but anyway this is 6 00:00:20,150 --> 00:00:19,470 gonna be a fun show tonight and welcome 7 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:20,160 to it 8 00:00:25,609 --> 00:00:23,369 this is Martin Willis and we have two 9 00:00:27,230 --> 00:00:25,619 guests coming up tonight first of all we 10 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:27,240 have Lee Spiegel he's going to be 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:29,160 talking about a show that's upcoming 12 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:33,930 soon within a few weeks we hope and and 13 00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:37,320 then after that I have rich Hoffmann he 14 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:40,079 is he was back on three years ago a lot 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:42,870 has happened since he was on and he has 16 00:00:47,420 --> 00:00:44,610 a great background started when was 17 00:00:50,299 --> 00:00:47,430 extremely young 13 years old checking 18 00:00:53,779 --> 00:00:50,309 out UFOs and was actually on the Phil 19 00:00:56,569 --> 00:00:53,789 Donahue at age 15 talking UFOs isn't 20 00:00:58,610 --> 00:00:56,579 that amazing anyway so that's our guests 21 00:01:02,380 --> 00:00:58,620 we have Alejandro Rojas coming up in 22 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:02,390 just a minute with UFO UFO updates and 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:05,460 the blog we have this week from Charles 24 00:01:10,850 --> 00:01:08,130 Lear is trust me this is science it's 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:10,860 basically about if you're looking into 26 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:13,290 the UFO topic you know more or less 27 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:17,280 beware and look out for pseudoscience 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:19,200 and try to figure out which is 29 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:21,450 pseudoscience and which is real science 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:23,159 if you can find any real science when it 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:26,490 comes to UFO so check that blog out it's 32 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:30,090 on podcast UFO comm we also have a 33 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:36,360 Facebook page podcast UFO and and live 34 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:37,920 shows I think that's how it's titled and 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:40,950 so check that out there's 22,000 or so 36 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:43,170 people over there and a lot of activity 37 00:01:51,139 --> 00:01:47,369 a UFO updates every day and speaking of 38 00:01:55,429 --> 00:01:51,149 updates we have Alejandro Rojas for UFO 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:55,439 updates welcome friend hello how are you 40 00:02:00,649 --> 00:01:57,810 doing good jeez that was weird no intro 41 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:00,659 I know what happened yeah well you're 42 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:02,549 supposed to pretend like that's the way 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:03,960 it's supposed to be on radio that's the 44 00:02:08,059 --> 00:02:06,210 thing is you pretends like like nothing 45 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:08,069 went wrong yeah and you just move on 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:10,200 you're right you're right yes oh that 47 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:11,970 was a great I really liked how you tried 48 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:12,950 this kind of 49 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:15,440 no intro thing so we could get right 50 00:02:20,979 --> 00:02:17,590 into it that's right yeah it was a nice 51 00:02:22,990 --> 00:02:20,989 nice little silence dead airs wonderful 52 00:02:25,390 --> 00:02:23,000 yes yeah a little bit of peace and quiet 53 00:02:27,490 --> 00:02:25,400 so we can reflect on on what we're doing 54 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:27,500 and gather our thoughts that's where you 55 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:29,690 get into this heavy topic next week I'll 56 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:33,410 make sure I have crickets going anyway 57 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:35,930 so how's everything going good so a lots 58 00:02:40,390 --> 00:02:38,870 going on of course right because I 59 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:40,400 wasn't on the show last week we keep 60 00:02:43,750 --> 00:02:41,810 talking about some of these stories that 61 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:43,760 came out in the last week it feels like 62 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:45,110 we've talked about but there's no way 63 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:46,970 because we haven't talked in the last 64 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:49,910 week but it's been an exciting week of 65 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:51,700 course although the stories are mostly 66 00:02:59,830 --> 00:02:56,750 around the the program unidentified you 67 00:03:01,690 --> 00:02:59,840 know America's UFO investigation so on 68 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:01,700 the History Channel that first episode 69 00:03:05,860 --> 00:03:03,890 finally came out you and I of course 70 00:03:08,860 --> 00:03:05,870 have talked about it since we got an 71 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:08,870 early preview because we're special we 72 00:03:15,009 --> 00:03:11,930 were in special class were younger and 73 00:03:16,930 --> 00:03:15,019 and we of course both like the show but 74 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:16,940 there's a lot of information now the 75 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:20,209 first episode is mostly information 76 00:03:24,069 --> 00:03:22,220 especially our listeners will be 77 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:24,079 familiar with because it included the 78 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:28,130 Nimitz case some of what was in there 79 00:03:32,349 --> 00:03:29,840 which I think some of our people might 80 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:32,359 not have known about was you know this 81 00:03:37,930 --> 00:03:34,540 was the first time we had heard from the 82 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:37,940 female pilot and I still remained 83 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:41,510 anonymous in this year's blacked out so 84 00:03:45,849 --> 00:03:43,100 that was really interesting to have her 85 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:45,859 go through Nimitz and also even though 86 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:47,750 you know both of you and I have had 87 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:49,730 people on to talk about this and I've 88 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:51,170 written a lot about it 89 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:53,630 there's so many working parts and the 90 00:03:58,089 --> 00:03:56,209 backgrounds really confusing and so I 91 00:04:00,970 --> 00:03:58,099 thought they did a really great job of 92 00:04:04,420 --> 00:04:00,980 going over Steve justice background Tom 93 00:04:06,940 --> 00:04:04,430 DeLonge flew elizondo's chris mellon all 94 00:04:10,259 --> 00:04:06,950 the major players I think they did they 95 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:10,269 all have such incredible histories and 96 00:04:15,819 --> 00:04:13,220 credibility that substantiates you know 97 00:04:17,650 --> 00:04:15,829 what they're talking about and I thought 98 00:04:20,890 --> 00:04:17,660 they did a really good job tackling all 99 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:20,900 of their backgrounds mm-hmm you know of 100 00:04:25,330 --> 00:04:23,990 course up I'm sure as myself you 101 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:25,340 probably heard from a lot of people that 102 00:04:28,350 --> 00:04:26,330 watched it 103 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:28,360 and you know got all kinds of feedback 104 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:29,930 someone said there were too many 105 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:32,030 commercials you know that you and I were 106 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:33,680 lucky enough not to be able to watch it 107 00:04:37,990 --> 00:04:35,270 without commercials so I hate 108 00:04:39,459 --> 00:04:38,000 commercials yes I get that one and then 109 00:04:41,469 --> 00:04:39,469 you know people were talking oh it's 110 00:04:43,570 --> 00:04:41,479 just the same stuff rehashed but I think 111 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:43,580 you know like you mentioned the female 112 00:04:49,570 --> 00:04:47,330 pilot that was really great and I you 113 00:04:51,249 --> 00:04:49,580 know there's a lot to that story and you 114 00:04:54,249 --> 00:04:51,259 know it's it was I believe it was a 115 00:04:57,550 --> 00:04:54,259 really good one to start off with my son 116 00:04:59,140 --> 00:04:57,560 I agree killer yeah it was they had to 117 00:05:01,270 --> 00:04:59,150 you know it's the one that was out there 118 00:05:04,180 --> 00:05:01,280 and they did offer something new they 119 00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:04,190 did offer the perspective of this you 120 00:05:09,249 --> 00:05:05,840 know other pilot that we haven't heard 121 00:05:11,529 --> 00:05:09,259 from they also had a couple people come 122 00:05:14,559 --> 00:05:11,539 in and analyze the video and I thought 123 00:05:16,990 --> 00:05:14,569 that was really interesting and you and 124 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:17,000 I both spoke with the producer Anthony 125 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:20,000 laughs la Paix you know and he's great 126 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:23,930 he you can tell he and he was right you 127 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:25,580 know what he told us in our interviews 128 00:05:29,230 --> 00:05:27,919 came out to be true in the show that 129 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:29,240 they were really just letting things 130 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:31,520 flow like he said he didn't want anybody 131 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:33,919 to do a double-take like if they screwed 132 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:35,840 up he was like no that's done you know 133 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:38,449 we're just recording what happens as it 134 00:05:42,369 --> 00:05:40,219 happens we're not we don't want to seem 135 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:42,379 scripted or script anything at all and 136 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:44,150 that came across in this show but it 137 00:05:47,769 --> 00:05:45,770 came across very credible of course I 138 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:47,779 feel you know we've heard from Lou and 139 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:50,770 and Lou's a very good at articulating 140 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:53,330 you know what he feels or what he's 141 00:05:56,110 --> 00:05:54,110 trying to do 142 00:05:57,939 --> 00:05:56,120 Chris Mellon of course it's been 143 00:06:00,369 --> 00:05:57,949 incredible and that's where the news 144 00:06:02,110 --> 00:06:00,379 comes in getting into the news is that 145 00:06:04,390 --> 00:06:02,120 we've got a lot of these people on 146 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:04,400 television so we've got Chris Mellon on 147 00:06:09,249 --> 00:06:07,520 Fox News CNN Good Morning America we've 148 00:06:10,980 --> 00:06:09,259 got all of these these people 149 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:10,990 essentially the main players or well Lou 150 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:14,240 on all of those Tom DeLonge on a couple 151 00:06:17,649 --> 00:06:14,810 things 152 00:06:20,589 --> 00:06:17,659 Tom DeLonge did a newsweek opinion piece 153 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:20,599 that was really good actually 154 00:06:26,829 --> 00:06:22,969 and I say actually because of course we 155 00:06:29,499 --> 00:06:26,839 all know Tom could get kind of often to 156 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:29,509 some more odd topics more speculative 157 00:06:34,719 --> 00:06:31,490 topics in the rest of the group but he 158 00:06:36,850 --> 00:06:34,729 really stuck to the topics at hand 159 00:06:39,730 --> 00:06:36,860 that was really good and then the big 160 00:06:40,119 --> 00:06:39,740 news from the week was this New York 161 00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:40,129 time 162 00:06:45,070 --> 00:06:43,039 article which introduced some new pilots 163 00:06:47,529 --> 00:06:45,080 that we're going to hear from in future 164 00:06:50,019 --> 00:06:47,539 episodes of unidentified and these are 165 00:06:52,540 --> 00:06:50,029 pilots who are with the Roosevelt who 166 00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:52,550 were involved with UFO incidents that 167 00:06:58,899 --> 00:06:56,479 happen in 2014 and 2015 and shockingly 168 00:07:00,459 --> 00:06:58,909 you know these guys said that they were 169 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:00,469 having these experiences or at least 170 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:03,039 catching these things on radar for 171 00:07:08,709 --> 00:07:06,289 almost daily that they didn't know what 172 00:07:10,689 --> 00:07:08,719 they were they assumed that perhaps 173 00:07:13,029 --> 00:07:10,699 somebody was testing some sort of new 174 00:07:15,009 --> 00:07:13,039 drone you know kind of a black project 175 00:07:17,739 --> 00:07:15,019 type of thing until they had their own 176 00:07:20,799 --> 00:07:17,749 encounter when two of the Jets had one 177 00:07:22,869 --> 00:07:20,809 of these things well in the story they 178 00:07:25,239 --> 00:07:22,879 make it sound like it would they almost 179 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:25,249 had a near miss one of these things was 180 00:07:30,459 --> 00:07:27,289 in between them that was cube-shaped 181 00:07:32,259 --> 00:07:30,469 with kind of an orb around it and that's 182 00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:32,269 when they really caught their attention 183 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:34,550 they're like wow this is dangerous this 184 00:07:40,029 --> 00:07:37,849 is not good if this is you know 185 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:40,039 obviously it's something physical this 186 00:07:43,749 --> 00:07:42,110 could really put our lives in danger at 187 00:07:46,659 --> 00:07:43,759 this point so that's when they started 188 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:46,669 taking it very seriously what's really 189 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:48,740 exciting and of course I'll plug it on 190 00:07:53,769 --> 00:07:51,110 my blog but a lot of people have posted 191 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:53,779 this now is a history also released to 192 00:07:58,509 --> 00:07:56,089 some of us some clips you probably saw 193 00:08:01,389 --> 00:07:58,519 these clips from those Navy pilots and 194 00:08:04,089 --> 00:08:01,399 those were really cool so I've got those 195 00:08:05,679 --> 00:08:04,099 posted at alejandro t rojas comm where 196 00:08:08,350 --> 00:08:05,689 you could see them three separate clips 197 00:08:10,779 --> 00:08:08,360 about a minute or so each where it's the 198 00:08:13,719 --> 00:08:10,789 pilots talking about this incident but 199 00:08:17,139 --> 00:08:13,729 what was revealed in these clips is that 200 00:08:20,469 --> 00:08:17,149 these incidents are also the origins of 201 00:08:22,749 --> 00:08:20,479 the other two f-18 flare videos that 202 00:08:25,149 --> 00:08:22,759 we've been questioned questioning since 203 00:08:27,669 --> 00:08:25,159 the beginning the one called go fast and 204 00:08:28,809 --> 00:08:27,679 the one called gimbal we haven't known 205 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:28,819 you know where did these things come 206 00:08:35,529 --> 00:08:31,969 from and now we know of course we have 207 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:35,539 limited information thus far except to 208 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:37,669 know that you know these pilots are 209 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:39,860 aware of it have seen the video do you 210 00:08:44,439 --> 00:08:42,949 believe that it's something unusual so 211 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:44,449 that's really exciting that we're gonna 212 00:08:48,249 --> 00:08:46,610 hear more from this you know the other 213 00:08:50,199 --> 00:08:48,259 thing that we did get a little bit of 214 00:08:51,999 --> 00:08:50,209 information of and we're getting more is 215 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:52,009 of course this Oregon event I did talk 216 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:53,570 about on the last show with 217 00:08:57,940 --> 00:08:55,730 you the McMinnville event were david 218 00:09:00,430 --> 00:08:57,950 flavor only the other pilots the wing 219 00:09:02,230 --> 00:09:00,440 commander who was on the Nimitz and he 220 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:02,240 talked about the gimbal video in 221 00:09:06,970 --> 00:09:05,180 particular because he was saying you 222 00:09:10,330 --> 00:09:06,980 know somebody had asked well actually 223 00:09:12,430 --> 00:09:10,340 this was my questioning I had asked 224 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:12,440 about you know was this a missile or an 225 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:14,060 aircraft because there's a lot of the 226 00:09:19,090 --> 00:09:15,620 skeptics and debunkers out there who 227 00:09:21,010 --> 00:09:19,100 have said that all this was was that you 228 00:09:23,770 --> 00:09:21,020 know a rotation even our good buddy mark 229 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:23,780 the Antonio I believe believes this but 230 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:25,730 framer talked about how he feels that's 231 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:28,730 absolutely there's no way and he talks 232 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:30,710 about the characteristics of an aircraft 233 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:32,690 and aircraft and he makes a great point 234 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:34,730 that you can't an aircraft can't fly 235 00:09:39,490 --> 00:09:36,770 like this yeah it looks like they are 236 00:09:41,650 --> 00:09:39,500 sometimes but in order to create lift on 237 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:41,660 the wings they have to be creating you 238 00:09:45,370 --> 00:09:44,030 know a friction they've got a bank left 239 00:09:47,260 --> 00:09:45,380 or right if they're gonna go sideways 240 00:09:48,610 --> 00:09:47,270 like this yeah he said sometimes the 241 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:48,620 Blue Angels can kind of do these 242 00:09:52,510 --> 00:09:50,330 maneuvers for a little while what they 243 00:09:54,610 --> 00:09:52,520 do these tricks but otherwise it's gonna 244 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:54,620 fall out of the sky right so this was 245 00:09:58,510 --> 00:09:56,690 not an aircraft that went like this and 246 00:10:01,540 --> 00:09:58,520 what were the effects we're seeing are 247 00:10:06,670 --> 00:10:01,550 not uh you know effect from the actual 248 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:06,680 lens of the of the FLIR camera so you 249 00:10:12,010 --> 00:10:09,620 know we now at least we're getting and I 250 00:10:13,420 --> 00:10:12,020 you know many of us assume this was a 251 00:10:14,650 --> 00:10:13,430 case that these guys aren't gonna come 252 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:14,660 out and say that these videos are 253 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:17,680 unusual for no reason I mean their 254 00:10:21,670 --> 00:10:20,150 credentials and their are on the line 255 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:21,680 their credibility is on the line as well 256 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:23,930 so when these pilots are coming out and 257 00:10:27,910 --> 00:10:26,210 saying no you know this is not something 258 00:10:30,390 --> 00:10:27,920 conventional and something I've dealt 259 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:30,400 with before and is demonstrating some 260 00:10:34,750 --> 00:10:32,810 advanced technology there's no doubt 261 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:34,760 that they put a lot of thought towards 262 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:37,280 it to make those determinations and come 263 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:39,050 out and say those things that's right 264 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:42,410 hey pardon me we are out of time because 265 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:44,090 I only have only gonna have Leon for 266 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:46,610 about ten minutes or so until ok so 267 00:10:49,690 --> 00:10:47,690 anyway thanks so much 268 00:10:52,270 --> 00:10:49,700 Alejandro and we'll be talking to you 269 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:52,280 next week all right thanks man all right 270 00:10:59,560 --> 00:10:56,000 talk to you then all right so our next 271 00:11:00,970 --> 00:10:59,570 guests needs no introduction that means 272 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:00,980 I'm not going to introduce them except 273 00:11:06,310 --> 00:11:04,300 for say hello Lee welcome to the show 274 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:06,320 hello mark 275 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:07,790 thanks for that glory 276 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:11,090 introduction that was your background 277 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:14,450 everything yeah well I called the mini 278 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:17,150 bio no I appreciate that thank you know 279 00:11:21,550 --> 00:11:19,010 you've been on so many times there 280 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:21,560 you've been on so many times but I I 281 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:24,860 guess it would be just a we just so 282 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:27,170 short on time because we only have ten 283 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:29,510 minutes until we go into break but so 284 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:31,760 Lee's been in the well you say it in a 285 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:33,920 quick nutshell your background for the 286 00:11:38,950 --> 00:11:36,890 new listeners if you would well I've 287 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:38,960 been investigating researching this 288 00:11:45,310 --> 00:11:42,680 crazy phenomenon called UFOs for 46 289 00:11:47,470 --> 00:11:45,320 years now makes me an old-timer in the 290 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:47,480 whole series 291 00:11:53,020 --> 00:11:50,630 I've among the things that I've helped 292 00:11:57,820 --> 00:11:53,030 to do to forward people's information 293 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:57,830 about this was 1975 I produced for CBS a 294 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:00,560 vinyl documentary record album called 295 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:04,250 UFOs the credibility factor in which it 296 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:06,800 was the first time that I the voices of 297 00:12:12,250 --> 00:12:09,410 people who have had encounters who had 298 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:12,260 strong opinions about UFOs and these are 299 00:12:17,470 --> 00:12:14,570 these were people in science in the 300 00:12:20,770 --> 00:12:17,480 military in politics and and had them 301 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:20,780 come together in one voice she basically 302 00:12:26,140 --> 00:12:22,850 asked the government please come clean 303 00:12:28,390 --> 00:12:26,150 about UFO information and from there I 304 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:28,400 kind of leapfrogged a couple of years 305 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:31,130 later into bringing UFOs to the United 306 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:35,870 Nations in 1978 and and then kind of 307 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:39,170 from there kept moving forward in this I 308 00:12:44,650 --> 00:12:41,810 guess mission of mine I spent eight 309 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:44,660 years on NBC radio just doing 310 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:47,030 unexplained phenomena features more than 311 00:12:54,130 --> 00:12:50,410 1500 programs about the topic well and 312 00:12:56,350 --> 00:12:54,140 and more recently seven years I spent as 313 00:12:57,130 --> 00:12:56,360 the chief UFO writer at The Huffington 314 00:13:01,060 --> 00:12:57,140 Post 315 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:01,070 that's right and as you and many your 316 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:03,410 listeners know now I'm still involved 317 00:13:10,060 --> 00:13:07,490 with film producer James Fox we're 318 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:10,070 putting it together were in the last 319 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:13,930 throes of an upcoming documentary and 320 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:16,250 for those who don't know the name of it 321 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:18,260 yet we started to spill the beans a 322 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:20,240 little bit this is going to be called 323 00:13:25,719 --> 00:13:21,410 the phenomenon 324 00:13:29,079 --> 00:13:25,729 oh you'd finally named it this is an and 325 00:13:32,319 --> 00:13:29,089 up name number three isn't it but not 326 00:13:35,319 --> 00:13:32,329 gonna stack right yeah well yeah and 327 00:13:38,049 --> 00:13:35,329 what and one of the reasons why that 328 00:13:43,479 --> 00:13:38,059 we've actually chosen that that name has 329 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:43,489 to go back to literally 1947 previously 330 00:13:49,389 --> 00:13:46,879 classified military documents it's now 331 00:13:50,549 --> 00:13:49,399 commonly referred to as the twining no 332 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:50,559 mm OH mm hm 333 00:13:56,499 --> 00:13:53,209 you or flying saucer reports were 334 00:13:58,719 --> 00:13:56,509 flourishing in 47 Air Force lieutenant 335 00:14:01,989 --> 00:13:58,729 general Nathan twining he was the 336 00:14:03,729 --> 00:14:01,999 commander of the air Materiel Command he 337 00:14:07,779 --> 00:14:03,739 issued a very eye-opening 338 00:14:10,419 --> 00:14:07,789 but secret at the time memo to the Army 339 00:14:12,599 --> 00:14:10,429 Air Forces and the subject line of it 340 00:14:15,579 --> 00:14:12,609 was the air material command opinion 341 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:15,589 concerning flying discs and among the 342 00:14:19,779 --> 00:14:17,779 things that this very serious memo 343 00:14:24,009 --> 00:14:19,789 stated was and this is a quote from it 344 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:24,019 quote the phenomenon reported is 345 00:14:29,309 --> 00:14:26,209 something real and not visionary or 346 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:29,319 fictitious fictitious there are objects 347 00:14:34,569 --> 00:14:32,359 approximating the shape of a disc such 348 00:14:37,059 --> 00:14:34,579 size as to appear to be as large as 349 00:14:39,549 --> 00:14:37,069 man-made aircraft unquote 350 00:14:42,909 --> 00:14:39,559 so this memo went on to describe the 351 00:14:45,669 --> 00:14:42,919 incredible maneuverability demonstrate 352 00:14:47,969 --> 00:14:45,679 demonstrated by these objects 72 years 353 00:14:51,069 --> 00:14:47,979 ago and these things are still out 354 00:14:53,769 --> 00:14:51,079 maneuvering current global aircraft 355 00:14:57,090 --> 00:14:53,779 technology and so that that twining memo 356 00:14:59,889 --> 00:14:57,100 eventually brought about a multi 357 00:15:01,539 --> 00:14:59,899 military investigation known as Project 358 00:15:03,969 --> 00:15:01,549 Blue Book but it was the beginning of 359 00:15:07,449 --> 00:15:03,979 the quote we referred to it as the 360 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:07,459 phenomenon both James Fox my credit 361 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:09,350 James with saying let's call the 362 00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:11,209 phenomena that the documentary because 363 00:15:16,869 --> 00:15:13,519 in so many places historically in 364 00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:16,879 documents it's always referred to as the 365 00:15:21,549 --> 00:15:19,519 phenomena and that just kind of stuck 366 00:15:25,779 --> 00:15:21,559 with us I mean wait yes there's our 367 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:25,789 title oh wow simple and good yeah 368 00:15:29,109 --> 00:15:26,689 exactly 369 00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:29,119 yeah that's great it started out for the 370 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:31,759 listener that because I still get email 371 00:15:34,569 --> 00:15:33,529 I think I got one two weeks ago someone 372 00:15:38,019 --> 00:15:34,579 saying when 373 00:15:40,869 --> 00:15:38,029 7:01 coming out and that was that was 374 00:15:44,129 --> 00:15:40,879 the first working title so this is what 375 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:44,139 this is morphed into it this time and 376 00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:46,910 it's going to be a smash when it 377 00:15:51,129 --> 00:15:48,980 actually comes out I know it is with the 378 00:15:52,329 --> 00:15:51,139 work that you've described to me in the 379 00:15:54,549 --> 00:15:52,339 budget and everything it's going to be a 380 00:15:56,530 --> 00:15:54,559 major movie and I can't wait for it and 381 00:15:58,689 --> 00:15:56,540 so while we're looking you know we're 382 00:16:01,090 --> 00:15:58,699 looking forward to doing it and to 383 00:16:02,619 --> 00:16:01,100 talking about it I'm looking forward to 384 00:16:06,189 --> 00:16:02,629 more to talking about on your show and 385 00:16:10,299 --> 00:16:06,199 I'm also happy that you and I will soon 386 00:16:12,789 --> 00:16:10,309 be Co radio colleagues kgr a digital 387 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:12,799 broadcasting when I begin my own program 388 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:15,649 called edge of reality radio and that's 389 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:18,049 coming up pretty soon what I would think 390 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:20,420 within a few 2 to 3 weeks or something 391 00:16:25,359 --> 00:16:23,569 like that and you're rolling in Linda 392 00:16:27,970 --> 00:16:25,369 Moulton Howes time slot on Thursday 393 00:16:30,069 --> 00:16:27,980 which is is that 8 to 10 p.m. Eastern 394 00:16:32,169 --> 00:16:30,079 Standard Time Eastern Time that's what 395 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:32,179 I'm that's what we're talking about 396 00:16:37,150 --> 00:16:34,420 although we're really left to do now is 397 00:16:41,549 --> 00:16:37,160 figuring out the technical logistics of 398 00:16:44,139 --> 00:16:41,559 my broadcasting Michelle from New York 399 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:44,149 you know back to the kgr a main 400 00:16:50,019 --> 00:16:47,929 broadcast studio in in Utah so that it 401 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:50,029 can have a real nice clean signal all 402 00:16:56,530 --> 00:16:52,480 across America and then later across 403 00:16:58,059 --> 00:16:56,540 across all international borders so I'm 404 00:17:00,159 --> 00:16:58,069 looking forward to this and I want to 405 00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:00,169 get this thing rolling as soon as 406 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:02,959 possible in fact I've already outlined 407 00:17:08,919 --> 00:17:06,380 the guest list for approximately the 408 00:17:10,059 --> 00:17:08,929 first five months of my show I can't 409 00:17:14,350 --> 00:17:10,069 believe that you told me that the other 410 00:17:15,639 --> 00:17:14,360 day five months and well well I'm 411 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:15,649 serious about doing this 412 00:17:20,679 --> 00:17:18,049 I guess who are you know I'm I'm lucky 413 00:17:23,340 --> 00:17:20,689 if I have a month I had it's it's not 414 00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,350 always that an easy thing to do 415 00:17:27,899 --> 00:17:25,760 especially if someone changes at the 416 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:27,909 last minute you can't get a fill-in and 417 00:17:32,139 --> 00:17:30,470 and thank you last week I announced I 418 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:32,149 didn't have any guests and you know you 419 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:37,809 were gracious enough to come on and also 420 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:40,490 let's talk about I can't believe who 421 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:41,990 your first guest is let's talk about a 422 00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,450 couple of that that and I guess you have 423 00:17:48,580 --> 00:17:47,360 coming up well my first guess 424 00:17:50,289 --> 00:17:48,590 hopefully it 425 00:17:52,110 --> 00:17:50,299 if he still wants to do it and in the 426 00:17:56,590 --> 00:17:52,120 mood he has it's been a while since 427 00:17:58,869 --> 00:17:56,600 since I asked him is a man named Jacques 428 00:18:00,730 --> 00:17:58,879 Ballet perhaps you and some of your 429 00:18:04,749 --> 00:18:00,740 audience of all the audience afraid of 430 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:04,759 Jacques never heard no that's great no 431 00:18:09,789 --> 00:18:08,090 Jacque is not not just simply a 432 00:18:14,489 --> 00:18:09,799 scientist an astronomer or 433 00:18:18,399 --> 00:18:14,499 astrophysicist he he is like a legend 434 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:18,409 and not just in UFOs but but in many 435 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:20,600 areas of science he's done so many 436 00:18:26,499 --> 00:18:22,570 things he was the first scientist 437 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:26,509 decades ago who mapped did a computer 438 00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,190 Wow yeah he's a he's a multi-faceted guy 439 00:18:40,570 --> 00:18:38,720 very interesting and who who some of 440 00:18:43,090 --> 00:18:40,580 your other guests I know you were gonna 441 00:18:44,919 --> 00:18:43,100 have Stan Freeman until we lost him he 442 00:18:48,730 --> 00:18:44,929 was really looking forward to comes 443 00:18:53,499 --> 00:18:48,740 right yeah yeah and and and and and yes 444 00:18:55,659 --> 00:18:53,509 so Stan very sadly he's with us but he's 445 00:18:59,049 --> 00:18:55,669 still with us yeah in so many areas and 446 00:19:02,680 --> 00:18:59,059 so many levels going to be talking with 447 00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:02,690 with as many people in in the UFO field 448 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:04,789 as I can I'm looking for military folks 449 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:06,950 I'm going to be talking with pilots that 450 00:19:15,269 --> 00:19:10,360 haven't done a lot of radio interviews 451 00:19:18,009 --> 00:19:15,279 more politicians more international 452 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:18,019 figures of people that we haven't heard 453 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:21,850 from and and also especially more 454 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:24,289 scientists because now we're at a point 455 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:27,470 in time historically where scientists 456 00:19:31,389 --> 00:19:29,570 aren't just saying oh there's nothing to 457 00:19:34,509 --> 00:19:31,399 this this whole thing and your UFOs are 458 00:19:36,249 --> 00:19:34,519 just strange lights or strange inverted 459 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:36,259 weather patterns and things like that no 460 00:19:44,289 --> 00:19:40,070 it's gone beyond that now mostly thanks 461 00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:44,299 to the New York Times in 2017 and all 462 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:45,350 the stuff that came out with the 463 00:19:51,269 --> 00:19:47,590 Pentagon revelations of their top secret 464 00:19:54,129 --> 00:19:51,279 UFO studies and and now more recently 465 00:19:57,369 --> 00:19:54,139 the whole revelation that the the Navy 466 00:19:58,900 --> 00:19:57,379 is now creating new guidelines for their 467 00:20:01,870 --> 00:19:58,910 for their pilots 468 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:01,880 and and Navy personnel who have had very 469 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:04,640 close encounters and this is not just 470 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:06,950 something that is just recent they are 471 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:09,050 now admitting these things have been 472 00:20:15,010 --> 00:20:12,230 going on for a very long time and I've 473 00:20:17,410 --> 00:20:15,020 been trying to stress that every time I 474 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:17,420 do some kind of an interview who is that 475 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:19,310 this is not a new thing it's not an 476 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:20,450 American thing 477 00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,110 it's an international phenomenon that 478 00:20:30,580 --> 00:20:26,720 we're dealing with and part of me is 479 00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:30,590 kind of curious I still wonder why the 480 00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:33,260 Pentagon or the Navy would suddenly come 481 00:20:40,210 --> 00:20:37,520 out and say yeah our pilots our military 482 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:40,220 forces have had strange encounters with 483 00:20:44,740 --> 00:20:42,470 strange things that we don't understand 484 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:44,750 why would they suddenly say that now in 485 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:47,450 history I don't fully understand that 486 00:20:53,410 --> 00:20:51,020 what what purpose will that serve any of 487 00:20:55,690 --> 00:20:53,420 us to have this kind of information come 488 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:55,700 out now like on a more official level 489 00:21:01,330 --> 00:20:57,860 which which is what this is talking 490 00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:01,340 about it is what it feels like you know 491 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:03,320 the there's a definition I think there's 492 00:21:10,660 --> 00:21:06,350 a definite feeling in the air I know I'm 493 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:10,670 you know yeah yeah yeah whoever's in 494 00:21:17,380 --> 00:21:13,070 charge of what the public is told about 495 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:17,390 UFOs over many decades now Arden maybe 496 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:19,970 they're loosening up a little but for 497 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:22,370 what reason what what purpose will it 498 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:24,830 serve to admit to the citizens of our 499 00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,710 planet unexplained aircraft of unknown 500 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:29,600 origin have been operating in our skies 501 00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:34,130 for a very long time so on a new edge of 502 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:36,560 reality radio I want to explore this a 503 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:39,470 lot and see where it takes us that is 504 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,890 awesome 505 00:21:44,590 --> 00:21:41,600 well I'm really looking forward to it 506 00:21:49,030 --> 00:21:44,600 I'm definitely going to be tuning in and 507 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:49,040 and so when that becomes available I'll 508 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:50,570 make an announcement on this show and 509 00:21:54,430 --> 00:21:52,370 make sure that everyone knows when to 510 00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:54,440 tune in oh and thank you I appreciate 511 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:54,920 that 512 00:21:59,650 --> 00:21:57,770 yeah and I I love what you're doing I'm 513 00:22:01,180 --> 00:21:59,660 glad that finally you and I are gonna be 514 00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:01,190 able to do the same thing now together 515 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:04,120 at the same place that's right a 516 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:06,170 competition right isn't that what they 517 00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:06,530 call it 518 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:12,120 I know 519 00:22:16,910 --> 00:22:14,910 just easy you know but the people in kg 520 00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:16,920 are a I don't think anybody is in 521 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:18,780 competition with each other we just all 522 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:20,910 kind of want to get this information out 523 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:23,940 in the best possible credible efficient 524 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:27,270 way yeah and you you had 1500 shows 525 00:22:33,290 --> 00:22:30,560 years ago and some of me and amazing 526 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,300 people you spoke to back then and I'm 527 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:35,220 really really I'm truly looking forward 528 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:38,160 to it and I'm really excited about your 529 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:41,910 show coming up and so yeah we're we're 530 00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:44,460 gonna head into break and I'm going to 531 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:46,740 be breaking on YouTube before I do this 532 00:22:52,790 --> 00:22:49,610 is a special note to YouTube listeners I 533 00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:52,800 was hoping to make an announcement 534 00:23:00,380 --> 00:22:56,520 for this coming Friday around noon time 535 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:00,390 and I did not get the 100% confirmation 536 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:01,830 email that I was waiting for it's gonna 537 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:04,890 be a special show a livestream you're 538 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:07,110 going to want to see it so keep an eye 539 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:08,370 on my channel if you're watching in 540 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:12,570 YouTube please click Subscribe and click 541 00:23:15,050 --> 00:23:14,190 the little bell next to the subscribe 542 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:15,060 button that way you'll get a 543 00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:17,370 notification of what I have coming up 544 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,520 but it's about 95 percent sure that I'm 545 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:22,980 gonna have a really really good show 546 00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:26,490 coming up this Friday afternoon I think 547 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:28,950 it is 12:10 p.m. Eastern Time 548 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:32,100 and also if you want to get a 549 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:34,650 notification by email just run over to 550 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,990 podcast UFO comm on the sidebar there is 551 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:39,600 a little email notification thing fill 552 00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,450 out leave thanks so much and my pleasure 553 00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,580 Martin thank you all right take care and 554 00:23:49,550 --> 00:23:46,880 we'll Will's we'll talk real soon 555 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:49,560 looking forward to it alright everyone 556 00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,150 hang in there I'll be right back with 557 00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:53,580 rich Hoffman alright welcome back to the 558 00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,150 show 559 00:23:58,910 --> 00:23:56,580 sorry for the extended break we had a 560 00:24:01,520 --> 00:23:58,920 little bit of Technology issues I would 561 00:24:04,340 --> 00:24:01,530 say and speaking of that our guests rich 562 00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:04,350 Hoffman he's a and information 563 00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:07,470 technology consultant and strategist he 564 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,180 has been with a while he spent at 565 00:24:15,170 --> 00:24:11,880 defense contractor for over 20 years 566 00:24:17,660 --> 00:24:15,180 primarily for the Army Materiel Command 567 00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:17,670 HQ with a variety of other companies 568 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:20,310 he's got quite a background he started 569 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:22,470 when he was extremely young was on the 570 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:25,890 Phil Donahue show at only 15 years old 571 00:24:31,450 --> 00:24:29,190 and I think they called well welcome to 572 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:31,460 the show I'm rich good to have you back 573 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:34,049 it's good to be back with you Martin I 574 00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:36,150 enjoy your show by the way 575 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,280 oh well things you do when someone like 576 00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:40,260 you says that I really it means a lot to 577 00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:41,400 me thank you 578 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:45,030 so I think didn't they call you a UFO 579 00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:47,210 expert I always loved that one don't you 580 00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:50,280 yeah I got it yeah the funny thing about 581 00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:53,340 it was I used you know I had a license 582 00:25:02,150 --> 00:24:59,100 plate and it was UFO X PRT and it and I 583 00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:02,160 and it fit for the back end of my bumper 584 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:04,470 in the car and the funny part about it 585 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:06,210 was it you know it caused a lot of 586 00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:08,040 conversations because I'd be at a gas 587 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,630 station and somebody would see it they 588 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:12,000 say oh wow are you what is that 589 00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:13,620 or then you get the people that say it's 590 00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:16,470 you Fox Berg and I'm going well okay you 591 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:18,630 know let me explain that one but it 592 00:25:23,539 --> 00:25:21,210 starts as a conversation starter so I 593 00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,549 just used that for my even for my email 594 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:24,960 and stuff I said the hell of it I'll 595 00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:27,510 just use it yeah yeah yeah it's fine 596 00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,360 it's flat yeah but you've bet you have 597 00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,600 you have a great background and you've 598 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:36,120 taken the subject seriously as you you 599 00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:39,210 know gone through time and so you've 600 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:42,630 been you were actually had cases that 601 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:44,610 you were researching at a very young age 602 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:49,110 right oh yeah I mean so let me give you 603 00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:51,510 a little bit of an H I guess sort of 604 00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:54,419 when I was 13 years old and I was living 605 00:26:00,530 --> 00:25:57,960 in Dayton Ohio and so I would it's right 606 00:26:02,150 --> 00:26:00,540 about that time that I found out that 607 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:02,160 there was a project to stop the street 608 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:04,520 at wright-patterson and you know and so 609 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:07,500 my first book that I picked up was the 610 00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:09,570 captain and were repelled talking about 611 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:11,429 the the project Bluebook and I'm going 612 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:14,040 like man this is just up the road for me 613 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,760 and at that age you know it's quite it's 614 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:20,880 a quite an impression and it just 615 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:23,370 propelled me big time into it nice so I 616 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,860 started doing a you know at that time I 617 00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:27,900 was doing a lot of like clippings and 618 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:30,750 and just getting every book that I could 619 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:33,030 possibly get every magazine that I could 620 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:36,840 get we was reading voraciously 621 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:39,150 and the next thing I know it was like 622 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:40,710 somebody asked me up to give a 623 00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,210 presentation that's some sort of an 624 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,299 astronomy club in Dayton and I went up 625 00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:47,580 there and did that and then somebody 626 00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:49,500 else heard that I did that and then the 627 00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,150 next thing I know I was like I was 628 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:53,640 getting calls from like sarcomas clubs 629 00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:57,000 and optimist clubs and everything else 630 00:27:01,630 --> 00:26:58,830 want me to come and then next thing I 631 00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:01,640 know Church just wanted me to come so 632 00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,240 and then eventually got word over to the 633 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:09,120 Phil Donahue and this is before women up 634 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:11,010 to Chicago and really became famous so 635 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:12,690 it was when he was just starting and 636 00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:17,070 dating and uh and so I always like I 637 00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:19,470 guess in a really experiment but they 638 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:20,549 had heard that I was going around 639 00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:22,890 talking all this stuff about UFOs and so 640 00:27:27,139 --> 00:27:25,080 let's just do it and then the next thing 641 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:27,149 you know is that that propelled me even 642 00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:29,100 further is - now I'm starting to get 643 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:31,080 phone calls from like people like left 644 00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,090 or right saying hey can you come and 645 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:36,720 check this out I was an investigator at 646 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:41,010 that time but eventually moved into hey 647 00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:43,730 I got to be able to do that and then in 648 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:47,100 1965 there were us a slurry of activity 649 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:49,710 and I was going crazy trying to keep up 650 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,690 with some of that work on cases and it 651 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:56,880 just kept building and building it over 652 00:28:00,799 --> 00:27:58,890 time to the point where if you probably 653 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,809 look at my caseload it's it's well over 654 00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:03,120 a thousand cases the first hand like you 655 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:05,100 know field investigated their work and 656 00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:11,000 it's climbing 657 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:15,059 research and you know and that's what it 658 00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,529 was about so I was on the front lines 659 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:19,320 for those and then eventually I you know 660 00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:22,260 let into me getting into MUFON if when 661 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:24,539 it was the Midwest UFO network and that 662 00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:28,710 was before you know Blue Book was going 663 00:28:35,389 --> 00:28:31,559 on at the road and occasionally I would 664 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:35,399 bump into a Blue Book officer who was 665 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:37,830 doing like the same case or something of 666 00:28:42,740 --> 00:28:40,529 that nature and so we would compare 667 00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,750 notes write talk with them and then we'd 668 00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:44,340 shared information the next thing I know 669 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:47,100 is it may be a phone number to call 670 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:49,770 rapcon for radar approach control and I 671 00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:50,190 could 672 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,400 get up and get information about that I 673 00:28:57,140 --> 00:28:55,200 was connecting with Len Springfield in 674 00:29:00,650 --> 00:28:57,150 Cincinnati and him and I were talking a 675 00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:00,660 lot and then I would bump in 676 00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,430 occasionally to Hynek who would be 677 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,200 around at the Dayton engineers Club 678 00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:07,080 giving presentations and I would go and 679 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:10,560 listen to him present and you know I 680 00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:12,830 again I would bump into like you know 681 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:15,900 Stanton and I would bump into just all 682 00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,320 these big-name people and uh you know in 683 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:21,840 the ufology world and and it was a very 684 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,070 exciting time anyway I just have haha a 685 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:29,220 very long history with bumping into this 686 00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,210 stuff so it's been a joy for me yes 687 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:35,880 and I'm glad you're you you're at it 688 00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,650 because you take it seriously you do a 689 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,020 nice a really nice job and a lot has 690 00:29:46,550 --> 00:29:42,960 happened since uh you and I were talking 691 00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:46,560 last I mean oh wow there's a lot to talk 692 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:50,700 about and you're part of the scientific 693 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:54,330 coalition what is the the full title of 694 00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:57,450 that well we've just changed it was the 695 00:30:02,000 --> 00:29:59,610 scientific Coalition for ufology and 696 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:02,010 then we've now changed it to his 697 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:05,610 scientific Coalition for UAP studies we 698 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:06,930 learned to emphasize that we are 699 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:09,930 studying this stuff yeah and that that 700 00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:12,390 was important and then the other thing 701 00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:14,160 that we learned from we had a conference 702 00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:17,580 here in Huntsville where I live back in 703 00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:21,720 mid-march and uh at that conference we 704 00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:23,400 had a lot of people that were saying you 705 00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:25,380 know we're trying to get scientists 706 00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:30,600 engaged from the military side we have 707 00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:34,160 none you know the UFO term has so much 708 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:37,680 that it's got a stigma even to 709 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,710 professors in universities and various 710 00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:42,720 other things who want to do more where 711 00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:45,540 you mentioned the UFO and it's not it 712 00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:48,060 leads into you know all that's at wacky 713 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:52,340 stuff right so much like you know 714 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:54,570 Europeans have done it where they've 715 00:31:00,500 --> 00:30:56,730 switched over to you AP we decided to go 716 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:00,510 with unidentified aerospace phenomena 717 00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:04,370 because aerospace is also 718 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:08,399 coppering the water as well as the air 719 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:12,720 and space so it's got all three of those 720 00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:15,750 mediums that we can use that one term 721 00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:18,899 purpose to oppose us owes and in 722 00:31:23,419 --> 00:31:21,480 something else you know and so that's 723 00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:23,429 pretty we decided to go with that and 724 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:25,830 scientists that we had and the 725 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:28,169 professor's we had and the doctors all 726 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:29,820 agreed that that would be the better way 727 00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:30,529 to go 728 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:34,590 interesting Wow yeah yeah I think I 729 00:31:43,879 --> 00:31:42,200 you know you know you do such a great 730 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,889 job with it that it doesn't really 731 00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,740 matter so I mean I but but I'm just 732 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:48,779 telling you that that there is a stigma 733 00:31:56,509 --> 00:31:53,210 out there that has been in conversations 734 00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:56,519 a little bit on the quiet side from a 735 00:32:02,119 --> 00:31:59,460 lot of people in in those scientific 736 00:32:04,659 --> 00:32:02,129 worlds and and so we're trying to bring 737 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:04,669 them and make them feel comfortable and 738 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:07,230 it's easier for them to get this 739 00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:10,440 aerospace phenomena thing than it is UFO 740 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:12,870 and come to a conference and maybe get 741 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:16,500 approved by their universities so there 742 00:32:21,999 --> 00:32:20,250 you go now in the case of and the 743 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:22,009 conference we were just speaking about 744 00:32:27,619 --> 00:32:24,110 where you had it in Huntsville there 745 00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,629 yeah I understand them fortunately I 746 00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:29,820 didn't go but some friends when Randy 747 00:32:35,139 --> 00:32:31,470 Nickerson was there Alejandro was there 748 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:35,149 yeah and and so from what I understand 749 00:32:40,129 --> 00:32:38,460 the most fascinating part that I got out 750 00:32:43,999 --> 00:32:40,139 of the bits and pieces of what I heard 751 00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,009 about that was that the in particular 752 00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:47,460 the tick-tack UFO people are saying it's 753 00:32:52,129 --> 00:32:49,169 being beaten to death at you know we're 754 00:32:53,659 --> 00:32:52,139 talking about it too much but in that in 755 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,669 particular I understand there was 756 00:32:58,879 --> 00:32:55,320 someone that did some study on the 757 00:33:01,369 --> 00:32:58,889 g-forces of what they were actually 758 00:33:05,749 --> 00:33:01,379 visually seeing and seeing on radar and 759 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:05,759 how impossible they would be for a craft 760 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:08,700 that we know of to stay together and and 761 00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:11,690 certainly not any any beings inside 762 00:33:17,410 --> 00:33:15,000 being able to take those g-forces do you 763 00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:17,420 have any little tidbits on that and 764 00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:23,840 that you remember yeah so let me clarify 765 00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:27,230 the the Robert Powell got started back 766 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:31,640 when the Paco cherry or cherry Chi I 767 00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:34,370 think that's how you say his name did a 768 00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:36,950 fighter sweet article on the the whole 769 00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:41,360 tic-tac encounter and so Robert got 770 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:43,100 started with it at that time and began 771 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:44,930 collecting evidence and getting a hold 772 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:46,850 of things and trying to document this 773 00:33:54,790 --> 00:33:50,690 and so eventually then over period time 774 00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:54,800 we formed a team of us to begin to take 775 00:33:59,910 --> 00:33:58,070 a look at it and to put together a you 776 00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,920 know and see what we could find out and 777 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:02,000 obviously we didn't have things like 778 00:34:08,770 --> 00:34:05,570 radar actual radar data and we didn't 779 00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:08,780 all we had was the testimony that was 780 00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:12,020 coming in and so we began talking and 781 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:15,320 contacting a lot of the the witnesses to 782 00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:20,570 that and you know these and so what you 783 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:23,300 could do and and this is where we're s U 784 00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:25,910 is about we're you know typically a UFO 785 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:28,220 report might get very minimal treatment 786 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:31,610 and scientifically it might get maybe 787 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:33,650 like a you know a couple pages or 788 00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,480 something like that we saw that one with 789 00:34:41,650 --> 00:34:38,480 MUFON were we didn't see like lengthy 790 00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,660 analysis or long-term studies of it and 791 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:44,240 we thought that the better cases deserve 792 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:46,850 that right they deserve our attention 793 00:34:54,070 --> 00:34:51,440 and so we we said that we're gonna spend 794 00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:54,080 that time and so we spent like in over 795 00:34:59,650 --> 00:34:55,880 two years putting together this report 796 00:35:03,190 --> 00:34:59,660 and part of the report was to document 797 00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:03,200 as much as we could about the case about 798 00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:06,230 what the witnesses said our attempts at 799 00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:08,660 getting FOIA requests so we've got that 800 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:10,940 whole section on that we put together a 801 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:13,910 glossary we put together uh we put 802 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:16,910 together an analysis based upon a lot of 803 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:21,410 different factors for example we had we 804 00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:22,970 talked with the radar people they would 805 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:24,860 describe objects that would be dropping 806 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:26,450 down from the skies at like eighty 807 00:35:31,150 --> 00:35:29,090 thousand feet and maybe stopping at 808 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:31,160 twenty thousand or even going to see 809 00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:34,670 be level and stopping just above sea 810 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:37,700 level in a matter of and then you would 811 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:39,530 you would you would take a look at that 812 00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:42,530 and say well what what are the physics 813 00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,600 involved in that what would what would 814 00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,640 if you looked at that from a physical 815 00:35:52,330 --> 00:35:49,760 physics standpoint what could you deduce 816 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,340 if you had something with a similar size 817 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:54,890 to the tic-tac you know let's say an 818 00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:57,650 airplane that's that's weighs a certain 819 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:00,290 weight or has a certain weight to it and 820 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:02,630 if it were if it were some the 821 00:36:08,410 --> 00:36:04,940 acceleration if you think about if I 822 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:08,420 move from 80,000 feet and I stop or even 823 00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:10,970 20,000 feet it doesn't matter if I'm at 824 00:36:15,310 --> 00:36:13,100 20,000 feet and I go to sea level and 825 00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:15,320 it's a matter of just a within less than 826 00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:19,760 a second what what is the g-force that 827 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:21,230 would be experienced what would be the 828 00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:24,370 speed of that what how would you 829 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:27,350 accelerate to get to a certain point and 830 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:31,370 then suddenly decelerate to come to a 831 00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:34,370 full stop above the water and the 832 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:36,350 wonderful part about that whole thing is 833 00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:38,450 that you know you can use mathematics 834 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:41,990 and and and basically the the types of 835 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:43,580 things that we already understand and 836 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:45,890 kind of deduce what that would be like 837 00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:49,280 and so we said let's do that and so 838 00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:52,670 basically you had Peter reality who did 839 00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:54,980 that and took it on and and put together 840 00:37:00,730 --> 00:36:58,220 in his papers and in the back of it in 841 00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:00,740 the appendices section the physics of 842 00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:02,540 that are involved in that and so you 843 00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:04,670 find out that like an object that would 844 00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:06,830 be going from like roughly 20,000 feet 845 00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:10,100 to sea level and stopping were in point 846 00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:11,900 seven eight seconds or whatever like 847 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:16,940 that would basically have used moved it 848 00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:19,190 over a hundred thousand miles per hour 849 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:21,230 or something of that nature and we and 850 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:23,990 the other thing that we did Martin was 851 00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:27,590 to we used also conservative estimates 852 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:29,840 instead of instead of it being like 853 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:32,210 point seven eight seconds let's use it 854 00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:34,610 it may be like three seconds let's look 855 00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:37,580 at it at six seconds and and so we we 856 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:39,950 did that where we showed in a table kind 857 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:42,170 of format what those different four 858 00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:44,390 speeds would be to include what the 859 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,340 different 860 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:48,220 the path or inputs would would have 861 00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:51,010 outputs would have been to have done 862 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:52,840 that and then you start to look at that 863 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:54,370 and then the g-forces and you come up 864 00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:56,170 with the fact that nobody could survive 865 00:38:00,900 --> 00:37:58,930 it if it were like an aircraft falling 866 00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:00,910 from that sky or moving down at that sky 867 00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:02,920 it would basically have disintegrated 868 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:09,100 and that the g-forces anything human and 869 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:11,170 so we did that in our plus we also took 870 00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:13,090 a look at it from the standpoint that if 871 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:16,030 you recall in the storyline when when 872 00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,600 favor is making his upward motion and 873 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:21,760 the object is to going from sea level 874 00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:24,220 and coming up to about 20,000 feet as it 875 00:38:30,930 --> 00:38:28,540 was progressing up in its altitude the 876 00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:30,940 object then leaves and then suddenly 877 00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:32,740 it's up very quickly over at the cap 878 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:34,780 point you hear them mention this combat 879 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:37,030 air patrol which is a classified point 880 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,030 of where they are supposed to to 881 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:42,880 actually meet when they conduct this 882 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:46,960 red-blue experience that's read war 883 00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:48,730 fighting country thing that they've got 884 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:52,360 yeah I'm so the fact that it did that 885 00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:54,430 and we you're able to now measure the 886 00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,720 speed because that's sixty miles away 887 00:38:59,130 --> 00:38:57,520 and you're able to say well it let's 888 00:39:01,440 --> 00:38:59,140 look at that one you know and so then 889 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:01,450 you find out again it exceeds beyond 890 00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:04,510 what we know of in the way of propulsion 891 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:07,540 systems and the g-force that would have 892 00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,640 been involved as well as the power 893 00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:11,680 that's required at one point one of our 894 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:13,060 estimates showed that it would have been 895 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:16,630 equivalent to potentially that of Hoover 896 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,250 Dam Wow terms and and then you you also 897 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:23,520 take a look at the testimony of 898 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:27,370 commander slate and you find out that he 899 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:29,530 talks about there was like a kind of 900 00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:33,310 like a a barrage like effect above the 901 00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:36,220 tic-tac or around the tic-tac I mean he 902 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:38,500 talks about that and so you say well 903 00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:40,510 okay is that some sort of a field around 904 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:43,240 it you know and and and what would that 905 00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:45,610 be it and that's the kind of details you 906 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,950 want from these very credible and very 907 00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:51,040 good observers who noticed these very 908 00:39:58,799 --> 00:39:54,870 small details that help us to understand 909 00:40:01,949 --> 00:39:58,809 what might be with the phenomena I mean 910 00:40:04,349 --> 00:40:01,959 and how it might be performing and so we 911 00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:04,359 need more of that highly you know that 912 00:40:07,919 --> 00:40:06,039 that kind of him and we'd love to be 913 00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:07,929 able to have the radar data but you know 914 00:40:12,089 --> 00:40:09,400 obviously that's a little bit hard to 915 00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:12,099 get since it's apparently not being 916 00:40:22,919 --> 00:40:20,140 found or released to us oh well I was 917 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,929 just thinking that other other cases 918 00:40:29,399 --> 00:40:24,880 that you've been able to study like this 919 00:40:31,259 --> 00:40:29,409 or or is it and can you talk about them 920 00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:31,269 where you've come up with some similar 921 00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:37,179 things well you know I think you might 922 00:40:48,439 --> 00:40:40,449 if you go up to the explore SCU org site 923 00:40:55,019 --> 00:40:51,359 number four years to go on the Aguadilla 924 00:40:57,779 --> 00:40:55,029 case and I mean if you recall that 925 00:41:00,179 --> 00:40:57,789 Aguadilla Puerto Rico incident but we 926 00:41:03,539 --> 00:41:00,189 yes you say that where the two K put 927 00:41:06,689 --> 00:41:03,549 together our reports if you would and 928 00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:06,699 our study of what we saw in the video 929 00:41:11,339 --> 00:41:09,400 clips as well as the and both have a 930 00:41:16,019 --> 00:41:11,349 more like infrared or thermal imaging 931 00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:16,029 kinds of cameras that were used the at 932 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:17,380 flitter is of course a little bit 933 00:41:22,439 --> 00:41:19,209 different from the West cam that was in 934 00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,449 the aqua dia thing and so you ever get 935 00:41:26,939 --> 00:41:25,119 head smart about the whole thermal kind 936 00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:26,949 of like range and and find out about the 937 00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:31,569 mid wave IR where it is in terms of what 938 00:41:39,419 --> 00:41:34,630 it can reveal to you and that's been a 939 00:41:42,659 --> 00:41:39,429 whole new world for us quite frankly and 940 00:41:46,259 --> 00:41:42,669 now s you've got a total of about 22 941 00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:46,269 PhDs on board and we're continuing to 942 00:41:52,109 --> 00:41:49,089 now build partnerships with with others 943 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:52,119 as well and we're hoping that we can 944 00:41:58,319 --> 00:41:55,900 bring on more of the thermal experts out 945 00:42:01,199 --> 00:41:58,329 there we tried to take our studies over 946 00:42:03,659 --> 00:42:01,209 to them to get as much as we can to 947 00:42:06,059 --> 00:42:03,669 happen peer reviewed we had this 948 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:06,069 document peer interviewed and we had the 949 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:08,619 last document looked at by the the 950 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:12,090 French who also came back and 951 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:14,970 much confirmed for example that in the 952 00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:16,770 Aguadilla case there was a question 953 00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,520 about the path and they confirmed to us 954 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:22,950 that the path was circular like we 955 00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:26,370 thought that it was and those things are 956 00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:27,900 helpful too and I we just need to have 957 00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:31,260 more peer-reviewed or more other kinds 958 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:33,390 of like scientific companies or 959 00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:35,940 organizations take a look at this our 960 00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:40,100 data the data and and do the same thing 961 00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:44,790 well you know we are we are ready to go 962 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:47,190 to break and what I'm going to do okay 963 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:49,380 here is we're having some issues with 964 00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,120 Skype so what we're gonna do is I'm 965 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,560 gonna be actually calling you back on 966 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:55,200 the phone but for right now we are 967 00:42:59,660 --> 00:42:57,690 heading into break so hang in everyone 968 00:43:02,000 --> 00:42:59,670 we'll be right back right after these 969 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:02,010 messages all right welcome back my guest 970 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:05,370 tonight is rich Hoffman and we have them 971 00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:07,110 now on the phone should be a nice clear 972 00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:10,640 signal right richer there aren't you 973 00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:16,860 well I'm here how are you yeah yeah just 974 00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,030 make sure you hold the phone closed if 975 00:43:24,350 --> 00:43:20,700 you would and so we were basically 976 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:24,360 talking about you know the different the 977 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:28,230 puerto rican incident which there was a 978 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:29,910 lot of that's the first time I've 979 00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:34,020 actually seen like real science and to 980 00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:36,360 work people taking something really 981 00:43:43,210 --> 00:43:39,350 seriously and it almost seems like a 982 00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:43,220 this seemed to almost open the door for 983 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:45,270 what we're seeing today a little bit 984 00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:48,330 just the fact that you know people are 985 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:49,620 really looking at the subject more 986 00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:52,410 seriously and and what is your thoughts 987 00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,420 on that I mean you you've seen a lot of 988 00:44:00,830 --> 00:43:56,760 change in ever since you know last year 989 00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:00,840 and a half or so right oh dramatically 990 00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:03,030 and you know I kind of like you know 991 00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,720 it's where things were I look back on on 992 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:08,880 my history with this whole thing like 993 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:11,730 for example you know are the cases any 994 00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:14,010 different from what we had back in the 995 00:44:21,830 --> 00:44:19,590 50s and 60s and answerers no in the 996 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,840 sense that we had military cases and 997 00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:23,760 we've had you know jet pursuits and 998 00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:25,960 we've had incursions in our air 999 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:27,880 face and we've had you know all that 1000 00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:29,650 stopped us has pretty much been there 1001 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:32,109 and there's so it's nothing for me it's 1002 00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:34,030 not you know my perspective anyway it's 1003 00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:37,270 nothing new I just had some incredible 1004 00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:39,880 cases in the past that are not receiving 1005 00:44:47,849 --> 00:44:44,710 as much attention on the medial side I 1006 00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,859 mean yeah they were they they got in the 1007 00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,839 National Inquirer they got into 1008 00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:51,760 something like that but you didn't have 1009 00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:54,369 anything that was really grabbing a hold 1010 00:45:01,380 --> 00:44:56,740 of the attention like it is today and 1011 00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:01,390 and now you know the whole thing is 1012 00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:04,750 you've got more advanced technology that 1013 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:07,510 we have over I mean our radar systems 1014 00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,010 have dramatically improved our 1015 00:45:14,839 --> 00:45:12,160 capabilities the aircraft and and 1016 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:14,849 everything else are fabulous and the top 1017 00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:17,890 top-notch and so the fact that these 1018 00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:20,500 kinds of systems are detecting these 1019 00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:22,300 things and they're seeing that they're 1020 00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,000 doing each incredible maneuvers and you 1021 00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:28,000 have very high-level credible pilots and 1022 00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,740 you have the willingness to be able to 1023 00:45:33,329 --> 00:45:31,599 confront it and put it on to like 1024 00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:33,339 something like the New York Times and 1025 00:45:39,089 --> 00:45:37,060 and then now now it's videos you had the 1026 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:39,099 credibility of the fact that we found 1027 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:40,930 that there was a program at the Pentagon 1028 00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:43,210 and you have the lead of that willing to 1029 00:45:48,089 --> 00:45:45,099 talk about it and help us to get the 1030 00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:48,099 getting more and so that's that's a 1031 00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:49,990 holistically different flavor than when 1032 00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:52,180 you had back in blue both days and and 1033 00:45:57,810 --> 00:45:56,140 and where we were before and so to me 1034 00:46:02,040 --> 00:45:57,820 it's a whole like a whole other world 1035 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:02,050 and I'm so happy to see that you know 1036 00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:03,970 that they're saying that they I mean 1037 00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:06,099 that basically saying that yeah these 1038 00:46:10,859 --> 00:46:08,230 things do exist you know by the way you 1039 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:10,869 know we need to pay attention to them 1040 00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,330 and oh by the way there might be 1041 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,280 potential threats and you know they're 1042 00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:18,160 hanging over our you know nukes 1043 00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:20,500 shouldn't we be concern you know 1044 00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:23,109 shouldn't we we not be concerned and Jim 1045 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:25,630 and so I'm glad to see it's getting that 1046 00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:27,609 Jerry's attention and it's helping a lot 1047 00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:30,580 of more scientific people who are like I 1048 00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:32,710 call them and going back to Jaco in 1049 00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:35,500 hynek's days the invisible college are 1050 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:36,910 willing to actually now come out and 1051 00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:38,680 talk a little bit and there's more 1052 00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:39,790 people that are will 1053 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:41,860 to discuss it so it to me this is 1054 00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:45,010 exciting times the I am yes rope friggin 1055 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:49,180 death no no I'm I'm totally with you 1056 00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:53,170 there I've seen you know for just one 1057 00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:55,540 thing alone my listenership has greatly 1058 00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,210 picked up with people just now looking 1059 00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:00,160 into the topic that never had before and 1060 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:02,350 so that's why I kind of dive into 1061 00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:04,030 everyone's background if they've been on 1062 00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:08,020 the show before or not and you know what 1063 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:12,190 I've seen you know since this whole 1064 00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,790 thing came out and and you know SIPP I 1065 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:17,680 think it was December 16th or whatever 1066 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:23,590 was 2017 I believe it was yeah since 1067 00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:26,920 that time you know it just seems to be 1068 00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:30,180 escalating to the where more and more 1069 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:32,980 you know people are taking it seriously 1070 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:34,990 I'll just tell you a quick situation I 1071 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:35,850 was in 1072 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:39,610 I'm a an appraiser that's my profession 1073 00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:42,070 and I was down in Massachusetts and as I 1074 00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:43,780 was walking into this house I saw these 1075 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:46,990 Navy bumper stickers on the back of the 1076 00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:48,790 car over the people that lived in this 1077 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:50,140 house where I was going and I was in 1078 00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:53,380 there and after a while I said I had the 1079 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:54,670 courage to say hey did you hear about 1080 00:48:00,450 --> 00:47:57,850 the Navy you know the new reporting on 1081 00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,460 UFOs the Navy said actually taking this 1082 00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:02,800 seriously and the woman wouldn't stop 1083 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:04,660 talking about and she she and her 1084 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:06,570 husband her husband's retired and and 1085 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:09,670 they thought it was amazing and all that 1086 00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:11,050 and then she started telling me about a 1087 00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:14,320 sighting and I'm really always very you 1088 00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:16,420 know careful about mentioning the UFO 1089 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:18,520 topic when it comes to my profession and 1090 00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:21,490 all that but every once in a while you 1091 00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:23,080 know I feel comfortable enough to talk 1092 00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:24,760 about it and and this time it was 1093 00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:26,920 received well but you never know but 1094 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:31,480 it's it's a lot more it it just seems a 1095 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:32,890 lot easier now than it was when I 1096 00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,370 started the show for sure yeah and 1097 00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:39,280 that's pretty much where I like when 1098 00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:43,270 book was closed and they basically had 1099 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:45,400 the Condon report and everything else it 1100 00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:49,090 seemed like you know the credibility of 1101 00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:51,190 the whole subject went down the toilet 1102 00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:52,920 and and 1103 00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,080 if you know it's like you can't talk 1104 00:49:00,500 --> 00:48:56,880 about him much anymore than a man over a 1105 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,510 period of time you know it just got very 1106 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:03,000 very I mean more and more you just 1107 00:49:06,830 --> 00:49:04,650 couldn't talk about it because it came a 1108 00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:06,840 joke I mean take a look at the tabloids 1109 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:08,580 and what they did with it well they 1110 00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,450 turned it into a joke and then you know 1111 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:14,160 you just couldn't even begin to discuss 1112 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:15,930 it and then over period of time now 1113 00:49:21,350 --> 00:49:18,510 you're able to come back and talk about 1114 00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:21,360 it and and you have that if you would 1115 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:23,550 that top cover the fact that there's 1116 00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:25,320 actually senators and congressional 1117 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,060 people that are willing to listen and 1118 00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:29,280 hear this and the fact that the Navy is 1119 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:32,100 and the Air Force are gonna be switching 1120 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:33,810 that I mean the Air Force it's not that 1121 00:49:37,610 --> 00:49:35,490 I don't think announced but they've gone 1122 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:37,620 and made changes and it's not like that 1123 00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,570 they haven't been you know concerned 1124 00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:42,960 before it's just it didn't allow you 1125 00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:45,720 know soldiers and stuff like that are 1126 00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:48,750 hesitant to bring it up you know and so 1127 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:51,180 it now allows them to feel a little more 1128 00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:53,370 open and and oh by the way I saw 1129 00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:54,840 something and you know and I said that 1130 00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:57,630 they can talk about it not be feeling 1131 00:50:01,060 --> 00:49:58,950 right that they're going to be penalized 1132 00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:01,070 if you would and so that's that's gonna 1133 00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:03,990 take open up a lot I hope we can do the 1134 00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:05,910 same thing for a commercial pilot you 1135 00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,140 know is that that we now get more 1136 00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:11,700 openness if we could get that from the 1137 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:16,830 FAA and the pilots you know and and then 1138 00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:18,810 we could also get it from other agencies 1139 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,110 and then the big question with people 1140 00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,730 who would be the central body to be able 1141 00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:26,160 to take a look at it and to collect all 1142 00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:28,440 that because it is a global phenomena 1143 00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:30,600 and it's we need to be concerned about 1144 00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:33,030 the threats that are over our you know 1145 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:35,430 over our land just as much as in the 1146 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,930 water that's right I'm hoping that we 1147 00:50:45,590 --> 00:50:42,720 and if we see this as a threat then that 1148 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:45,600 opens up doors for where are where are 1149 00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,370 these things going what are they doing 1150 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:50,700 and so anyway that's pretty much my 1151 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:51,210 thoughts 1152 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:53,310 I've thought I I think I talked about 1153 00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:55,050 this briefly last time you were on the 1154 00:51:01,340 --> 00:50:56,760 show and and I still kind of feel the 1155 00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:01,350 same way is that I don't think that the 1156 00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,230 Air Force whoever it is that is you know 1157 00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:05,520 really looking at this 1158 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:10,920 topic the Pentagon DoD whoever it is 1159 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:13,740 that's I don't think anyone knows any 1160 00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:16,410 really that much more than any of us out 1161 00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:19,260 here looking at it I still think it's a 1162 00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:20,910 puzzle and I think that's the reason 1163 00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:23,400 you're the main reason the secrecy has 1164 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:24,990 been so long because how do you defend 1165 00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:27,410 against something you know how do you 1166 00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:30,630 take care of the skies when you don't 1167 00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:31,500 know what the heck it is 1168 00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,430 and you can't assure the people that 1169 00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:36,900 this is happening but we don't know what 1170 00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,200 it is you know I mean it wouldn't agree 1171 00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,839 with yeah we don't have any answers and 1172 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:44,760 you know and that's pretty clear 1173 00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:46,290 all we know is that there are these 1174 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:48,660 crafts that are outperforming anything 1175 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:50,700 that we've got and that they seem to be 1176 00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,490 within our airspace and you know and 1177 00:52:02,960 --> 00:51:59,400 water space you know our waters as well 1178 00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:02,970 and and that why wouldn't we be 1179 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:05,339 concerned about that type of thing 1180 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,760 especially knowing that other countries 1181 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:11,520 are doing the looking and at the same 1182 00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:13,650 time that you know that we're trying to 1183 00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:16,230 say that it could be potentially we 1184 00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:18,270 notices we don't do the origin it could 1185 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:20,220 be that somebody else has made greater 1186 00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:22,770 advancements than we have and why 1187 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:25,619 wouldn't we want to know that and so 1188 00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,810 that's I think that that's that's 1189 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:29,700 finally coming around and we don't have 1190 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:31,890 the answer so neither does the belief 1191 00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:34,890 that the government has the answers per 1192 00:52:40,339 --> 00:52:38,820 se in my book but it also doesn't 1193 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:40,349 preclude the fact that we aren't 1194 00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:41,970 interested and haven't been interested 1195 00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:44,550 in the standpoint of looking at it from 1196 00:52:50,810 --> 00:52:48,660 an the propulsion system and on how do 1197 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:50,820 we build these things and if you think 1198 00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:53,010 about us not paying attention to looking 1199 00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,280 into anti-gravity or like that certainly 1200 00:52:59,599 --> 00:52:58,020 we've done that over this time that's 1201 00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,609 what the military would do there would 1202 00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:01,980 be a look and be all the contracting 1203 00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:03,900 firms and the companies and a Lockheed's 1204 00:53:09,609 --> 00:53:06,780 and the Boeing's at the being able to 1205 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:09,619 look into that the other if you saw that 1206 00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:12,810 that the Navy came out that there has a 1207 00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:15,240 couple patents are you aware that that 1208 00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:17,310 patent thing know going on with the 1209 00:53:21,499 --> 00:53:18,630 United States 1210 00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:21,509 okay so there's a if you go look up 1211 00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,440 Salvatore Cesare pice who is got a 1212 00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:28,559 number of patents now right now that are 1213 00:53:33,499 --> 00:53:30,390 looking at building something on the 1214 00:53:35,269 --> 00:53:33,509 scale of a tic-tac and it gets into 1215 00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,279 high-energy electromagnetic field 1216 00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:37,680 generators it gets into using a vacuum 1217 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:41,160 states around the object it uses 1218 00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:44,609 microwave transmitters interesting it up 1219 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:46,710 you know that you know that and it's 1220 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:48,690 creating it this kind of like a vacuum 1221 00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,970 and the whole paper is built around the 1222 00:53:55,759 --> 00:53:52,859 fact that you produce your inertial mass 1223 00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,769 and your gravitational mass and you can 1224 00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,119 get to the point where you could do that 1225 00:54:04,039 --> 00:53:59,700 very kind of thing like the tic-tac you 1226 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:04,049 mean the moon so yeah I mean exactly I 1227 00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:05,490 mean you can do every all you could do 1228 00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:07,140 basically if the same kinds of things 1229 00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,990 that guys doing and you know you're not 1230 00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,940 going to suffer the inertial mass you're 1231 00:54:15,769 --> 00:54:13,680 going to be reducing your your the 1232 00:54:18,349 --> 00:54:15,779 weight your weight you're going to be 1233 00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:18,359 able to interact and so this these kind 1234 00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:21,230 of like patents that are out there or 1235 00:54:30,249 --> 00:54:26,880 and reading the how put off is also 1236 00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:30,259 cited in that with its polarizable 1237 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:34,529 vacuum approach to general relativity so 1238 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:36,410 I guess what I'm kind of get at is 1239 00:54:41,180 --> 00:54:39,210 science is progressing to the point 1240 00:54:44,059 --> 00:54:41,190 where we're getting to the point where I 1241 00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:44,069 think that we may be able to develop 1242 00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:47,190 these kind of technologies but you have 1243 00:54:50,779 --> 00:54:48,900 to realize that these objects have been 1244 00:54:54,529 --> 00:54:50,789 doing this for a very very very long 1245 00:54:58,099 --> 00:54:54,539 time right and so we're gonna start to 1246 00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,109 see the potential for us to do that but 1247 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:00,000 it's still in the the theoretical world 1248 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:02,730 I mean we do I I don't know that we're 1249 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:04,890 gonna hear from Lockheed Martin that 1250 00:55:08,839 --> 00:55:06,329 they've actually gone out and they've 1251 00:55:10,999 --> 00:55:08,849 done this or if they'll release it to us 1252 00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:11,009 or if it's gonna remain you know a 1253 00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:13,559 top-secret type of than ever but I think 1254 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:15,150 that we are actually experimenting in 1255 00:55:17,539 --> 00:55:17,250 these kinds of things and why wouldn't 1256 00:55:19,759 --> 00:55:17,549 we be 1257 00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:19,769 I mean we've had plenty of time looking 1258 00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:22,920 at this now what about that that theory 1259 00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:25,230 or that you were talking about does that 1260 00:55:32,539 --> 00:55:30,119 address there's never any one reporting 1261 00:55:34,819 --> 00:55:32,549 you know the sound barrier being broken 1262 00:55:37,219 --> 00:55:34,829 this thing takes off correct does that 1263 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:37,229 address it does address that it sure 1264 00:55:42,709 --> 00:55:37,650 does 1265 00:55:44,209 --> 00:55:42,719 and so so I mean you know I guess what 1266 00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:44,219 I'm trying to get at is if you look at 1267 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:47,160 those five traits that Lou Elizondo 1268 00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:51,089 talks about in this presentation this 1269 00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:56,099 type of an object could the Navy can put 1270 00:56:03,079 --> 00:55:59,819 together is a is basically probably 1271 00:56:04,729 --> 00:56:03,089 capable of doing that very thing and all 1272 00:56:08,029 --> 00:56:04,739 those types of things would be able to 1273 00:56:10,969 --> 00:56:08,039 function in in the water as much as in 1274 00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:10,979 air and as much as space so it's trans 1275 00:56:20,419 --> 00:56:16,910 medium it would be able to basically 1276 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:20,429 maneuver seamlessly without the inertia 1277 00:56:25,669 --> 00:56:23,640 issues you know you could have a 1278 00:56:27,289 --> 00:56:25,679 conceivably a pilot on the inside of it 1279 00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:27,299 I don't know how what they're how they 1280 00:56:31,849 --> 00:56:28,859 would be shielded or whatever like that 1281 00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:31,859 um the the high-energy electromagnetic 1282 00:56:36,289 --> 00:56:34,529 field generators but even had in his 1283 00:56:39,319 --> 00:56:36,299 diagram some sort of shielding to be 1284 00:56:41,809 --> 00:56:39,329 able to protect somebody so I mean 1285 00:56:43,789 --> 00:56:41,819 that's we're starting to get there I 1286 00:56:46,009 --> 00:56:43,799 think you know is what I'm trying to get 1287 00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:46,019 at is that we'll be able to and then 1288 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:48,749 it's enough that these use microwave 1289 00:56:54,229 --> 00:56:51,650 transmitters and when I was doing the 1290 00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,239 landing case that I investigated back in 1291 00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:55,920 the seventies where a seven-foot 1292 00:57:02,269 --> 00:56:59,130 diameter area was completely fake to 1293 00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:02,279 freeze in the ground you know and all it 1294 00:57:05,689 --> 00:57:03,689 was gone there's possibly around the 1295 00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:05,699 perimeter of the Sun but there is 1296 00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:08,579 microwave radiation are they using 1297 00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:09,269 microwaves 1298 00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:12,359 you know transmitter is that what what's 1299 00:57:17,539 --> 00:57:14,910 involved here and and does that bake the 1300 00:57:19,579 --> 00:57:17,549 soil like we're expecting so so you get 1301 00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:19,589 what I'm saying right it's it's a 1302 00:57:24,979 --> 00:57:22,140 wonderful time it's exciting and I think 1303 00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,989 that science is when we're gonna more 1304 00:57:29,419 --> 00:57:27,119 more progress to the point where we're 1305 00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,429 going to be able to look at and don't 1306 00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:32,640 come to these times I think well the 1307 00:57:38,359 --> 00:57:35,160 guest I had a lot last week it was more 1308 00:57:40,999 --> 00:57:38,369 or less convinced that what we're seeing 1309 00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:41,009 is time travelers in you know in a 1310 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:43,109 little tiny way that could fit and 1311 00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:46,250 that's development of something you 1312 00:57:51,339 --> 00:57:48,710 way in the future you know that we're 1313 00:57:52,570 --> 00:57:51,349 actually seeing but I thought it was an 1314 00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:52,580 interesting theory anyway 1315 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:55,220 but as far as you know the the thing 1316 00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:56,690 that always comes up when you talk to 1317 00:58:03,700 --> 00:57:59,690 someone that is you know rightly skeptic 1318 00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:03,710 of how we are being visited the it 1319 00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:05,420 always comes up with the vast distance 1320 00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:07,670 that it is to the nearest you know star 1321 00:58:14,020 --> 00:58:11,030 system the nearest solar system for an 1322 00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,030 entire year I wish that they would have 1323 00:58:19,870 --> 00:58:16,160 been in my conference is dr. Kevin 1324 00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:19,880 canoes on and he Devin you ever heard 1325 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:23,270 him his presentation was on relativistic 1326 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:25,730 interstellar travel and you find out 1327 00:58:30,970 --> 00:58:29,330 that typically if you look and this is 1328 00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:30,980 the interesting thing I think that he 1329 00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,700 did he looked at the speeds of UFO cases 1330 00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:37,280 that we have that we have - like for 1331 00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:42,320 example the FAA case in a lot he looked 1332 00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:45,740 at the and they had radar right so you 1333 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:47,150 looked at the speed there and he looked 1334 00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:48,770 at the speed of the tic-tac and he 1335 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:51,470 looked at speed from the bethune case 1336 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:54,410 and then he put all these cases together 1337 00:58:58,900 --> 00:58:55,730 and he said these are the speeds of 1338 00:59:01,570 --> 00:58:58,910 these objects he seemed to be going okay 1339 00:59:05,770 --> 00:59:01,580 let me project that out and say can they 1340 00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:05,780 go at those of the speeds that we know 1341 00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:07,670 of and the answer was yes 1342 00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:11,150 and so there's any progresses in to the 1343 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:13,790 point of talking about okay so now if 1344 00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:16,010 you've got that and you click build a 1345 00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:17,119 craft that could do that 1346 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:20,359 basically how would you go out and do to 1347 00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:22,609 go into the interstellar and how long 1348 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:24,380 would it take you to do that and then 1349 00:59:28,270 --> 00:59:26,570 you get into the time dilation kind of 1350 00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:28,280 thing where you know as you go towards 1351 00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:30,080 the speed of light time slows down for 1352 00:59:34,210 --> 00:59:32,750 the people on board right so it gets to 1353 00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:34,220 the point where you could go these you 1354 00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,310 know these light light speeds if you let 1355 00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:40,160 her near near the white speed and for 1356 00:59:46,349 --> 00:59:42,950 them to go across the entire universe 1357 00:59:51,579 --> 00:59:46,359 it's only a matter of month 1358 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:51,589 all right so so it's in their time and 1359 00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:53,570 of course for us back here it's gonna be 1360 00:59:57,579 --> 00:59:56,119 like you know da sort of like that so we 1361 00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:57,589 keep hearing about the fact all it's 1362 01:00:00,100 --> 00:59:59,450 gonna take too long because keeping it 1363 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:00,110 from the stand 1364 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:02,330 point of our own perspective what you 1365 01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:04,250 have to do is you look at it if you get 1366 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:05,660 near the speed of why that's flowing 1367 01:00:09,580 --> 01:00:07,730 down for them and for them and he 1368 01:00:10,990 --> 01:00:09,590 protected that and so that these people 1369 01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,000 could literally be on the other side of 1370 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:13,040 the galaxy in a matter of days or 1371 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:14,930 something of that nature he's got that 1372 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:17,810 time all planned out and then what if we 1373 01:00:24,430 --> 01:00:21,170 were going to build and want to go and 1374 01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:24,440 go to other extrasolar planets and we 1375 01:00:29,050 --> 01:00:26,900 believe that life is well guess what you 1376 01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:29,060 would do you would shoot off and you had 1377 01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,310 become nomadic you go with a whole bunch 1378 01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:33,280 of other people with you and basically 1379 01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:35,600 go to that location because you know 1380 01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,790 you're not going to be coming back 1381 01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:38,960 you're gonna go to that place and you're 1382 01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:41,420 going to basically inhabit it right and 1383 01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,790 then you go and shoot off again to other 1384 01:00:46,990 --> 01:00:45,680 places from that baby that point of 1385 01:00:48,910 --> 01:00:47,000 reference knowing that you're not going 1386 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:48,920 to come back and look like that so 1387 01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:50,210 eventually you can get to the point 1388 01:00:54,430 --> 01:00:52,040 where it because you're only traveling 1389 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:54,440 just a matter of month you're basically 1390 01:00:58,660 --> 01:00:57,050 there you go and you settle down and you 1391 01:01:00,700 --> 01:00:58,670 get screw to land and you take off to 1392 01:01:03,490 --> 01:01:00,710 other places in a very short order 1393 01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,500 you could be already acheived going to 1394 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:06,160 multiple places that are inhabited or 1395 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:08,210 potential places where you could live 1396 01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:11,570 and and so what's the problem here 1397 01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:13,640 you know it means you get what I'm 1398 01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:17,030 saying right mm-hmm well and so that was 1399 01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,950 just point and that it was a very 1400 01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:20,960 dramatic presentation it did a lot of 1401 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:23,420 reframe for a lot of it because 1402 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:26,930 ultimately it's a situation where we you 1403 01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:29,930 know we can do that we could conceivably 1404 01:01:35,590 --> 01:01:32,960 do that if we had even just the 1405 01:01:37,090 --> 01:01:35,600 capabilities of a UFO so that they've 1406 01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:37,100 been demonstrating in those kind of 1407 01:01:45,340 --> 01:01:40,960 speed hmm Wow well that's interesting 1408 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:45,350 so just just wanted to you mentioned 1409 01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:48,610 earlier that you you probably have 1410 01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:52,880 researched and you know basically worked 1411 01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:54,920 on about 1,500 cases did I hear you say 1412 01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:02,720 that something like that years 5:55 1413 01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:05,960 years of my life Wow yeah no all right 1414 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:09,230 yeah it's it's been a long time in a lot 1415 01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:12,070 of cases and there for a while but I was 1416 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:14,030 on with Ruth 1417 01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:16,370 it was the on a start team side and 1418 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:17,750 there was also the deputy director of 1419 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:20,210 investigations with them and then I was 1420 01:02:23,710 --> 01:02:21,770 also on the science review board 1421 01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:23,720 committee that was actually looking at 1422 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:26,240 all of like the monthly cases that would 1423 01:02:31,810 --> 01:02:28,250 come in and we would pick the top ten 1424 01:02:33,730 --> 01:02:31,820 cases each month and so we were all 1425 01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:33,740 reviewing hundreds of cases even in the 1426 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:38,750 files there so yeah I mean it's been a 1427 01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:41,330 long time but that's pretty much what I 1428 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:44,510 did I'm not like other researchers that 1429 01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:46,970 were spent your time in books I'm the 1430 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:48,380 kind of research so that was out in the 1431 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:50,450 field talking with witnesses so I've got 1432 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:52,850 more of an understanding of that than I 1433 01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,570 do you know the documented history and 1434 01:02:59,890 --> 01:02:58,160 everything else I leave that to people 1435 01:03:03,370 --> 01:02:59,900 like Paul Dean and some of the others 1436 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:03,380 that the Isaac boys and and everybody 1437 01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:04,850 else that are out there doing that great 1438 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:08,000 work of researching documents and things 1439 01:03:17,530 --> 01:03:13,490 now you said you've worked for your 1440 01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,540 Bennet defense contractor has your has 1441 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:20,480 UFO the UFO topic ever interfered in any 1442 01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:26,210 type of way with that work my cube is 1443 01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:33,200 decorated and ice cream in fact the fun 1444 01:03:37,030 --> 01:03:34,790 part about it today was they sent the 1445 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:37,040 list about the show to a lot of the 1446 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:38,570 people that I work with and say hey I'm 1447 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:41,210 gonna be on pro the program tonight you 1448 01:03:52,690 --> 01:03:45,170 might want to check into it so okay yeah 1449 01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:52,700 so yeah I mean you're our UFO expert you 1450 01:03:58,030 --> 01:03:55,670 know that type thing so it's pretty much 1451 01:04:00,100 --> 01:03:58,040 exciting to see that that's happening 1452 01:04:02,140 --> 01:04:00,110 now and it's getting more attention well 1453 01:04:03,580 --> 01:04:02,150 I know you're you're sort of in the IT I 1454 01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:03,590 think you said the last time you were on 1455 01:04:11,850 --> 01:04:06,470 the show that yeah the some of the work 1456 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:11,860 you do like cyber security as well any 1457 01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:16,730 yeah what they call the nipper net and 1458 01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:20,060 the super net site and so I get to work 1459 01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:23,150 in both worlds like that and and issue 1460 01:04:27,850 --> 01:04:25,240 that it's it's a mixture of 1461 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:27,860 cybersecurity it's also 1462 01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,330 what they call portfolio management 1463 01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:31,280 meaning looking at I'm looking at 1464 01:04:38,020 --> 01:04:35,780 investments and how we can better save 1465 01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:38,030 money for the government and how we do 1466 01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:40,550 that so I play into that world I was 1467 01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:42,230 working with a data center consolidation 1468 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:44,030 because we're trying to consolidate data 1469 01:04:52,210 --> 01:04:49,490 centers and and to go into the cloud and 1470 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:52,220 we're also we're also getting into AI 1471 01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:55,850 kind of technologies and looking at big 1472 01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:58,490 data platforms so I'm into that kind of 1473 01:05:01,180 --> 01:04:58,970 world 1474 01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:01,190 Wow well one of the reasons I was asking 1475 01:05:05,050 --> 01:05:03,470 and because I was just kind of trying to 1476 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:05,060 see a little bit of a parallel if there 1477 01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:07,250 is one at all I'm sure you know all 1478 01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:11,180 about this the NSA lost some tools some 1479 01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:14,990 cyber sabotage tools one was called 1480 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:18,830 eternal blue and it's wreaking havoc I 1481 01:05:24,130 --> 01:05:20,570 know for instance right now in Baltimore 1482 01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,140 the city the city hall is basically down 1483 01:05:28,270 --> 01:05:26,000 because of the cyber tool that the NSA 1484 01:05:30,610 --> 01:05:28,280 actually created and somehow it got 1485 01:05:34,060 --> 01:05:30,620 hacked back in 2017 the tool got out 1486 01:05:35,860 --> 01:05:34,070 there it was actually offered at auction 1487 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:35,870 and finally just given away for free so 1488 01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:38,930 now like North Korea is using it and and 1489 01:05:44,410 --> 01:05:41,600 possibly Russia it's all over the world 1490 01:05:47,350 --> 01:05:44,420 right now III do have a point that I'm 1491 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:47,360 getting to eventually here but so just 1492 01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:49,970 for instance the city of Baltimore was 1493 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:52,100 offered you know to pay a ransom of a 1494 01:05:55,330 --> 01:05:53,210 hundred thousand dollars and they 1495 01:05:57,070 --> 01:05:55,340 refused to and now it's cost them over 1496 01:05:59,770 --> 01:05:57,080 eighteen million dollars to get their 1497 01:06:04,630 --> 01:05:59,780 systems back and with loss fees and 1498 01:06:07,540 --> 01:06:04,640 everything else so when the NSA is asked 1499 01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:07,550 about this they say that they can't talk 1500 01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:09,700 about it because it's classified and 1501 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:12,160 they won't you know they're kind of like 1502 01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,450 saying well we if if a Toyota 1503 01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,520 you know smashed into a bunch of people 1504 01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:21,440 and hurt them would you go after Toyota 1505 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:23,240 you know they're kind of blaming it that 1506 01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,490 way they created the tools there they're 1507 01:06:29,980 --> 01:06:27,920 not taking any responsibility for the 1508 01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:29,990 leak of these tools and them tools out 1509 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:33,920 there do you think there's any parallel 1510 01:06:41,620 --> 01:06:39,170 to the UFO topic in classified documents 1511 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:41,630 and the way things are classified so the 1512 01:06:49,390 --> 01:06:43,850 just don't have to talk about the topic 1513 01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:49,400 of UFOs well this way I think that 1514 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:52,460 there's a you know there is a concern I 1515 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:54,890 mean the certainly the icy world the 1516 01:06:58,930 --> 01:06:57,410 intelligence side of the house and stuff 1517 01:07:01,480 --> 01:06:58,940 like that as always like watching what's 1518 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:01,490 going on and and you know that pretty 1519 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:04,730 much they're trying to protect that from 1520 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:07,250 their standpoint and I can understand 1521 01:07:11,650 --> 01:07:09,170 trying to find out where things are at 1522 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:11,660 the same time I know that from the 1523 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:14,570 military side were we're doing our best 1524 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:18,410 to shield and defend and protect as much 1525 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:21,770 of our information as possible I mean it 1526 01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:25,850 and it and I'll say this much that you 1527 01:07:31,810 --> 01:07:29,990 know the DoD takes huge hits constantly 1528 01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:31,820 because everybody's not trying to get 1529 01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:35,660 into it right yeah so well you know you 1530 01:07:38,590 --> 01:07:37,070 know when you talk about like what 1531 01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:38,600 they're doing with companies and like 1532 01:07:45,130 --> 01:07:41,180 that well the doq gets maybe 20 or 40 1533 01:07:47,890 --> 01:07:45,140 times that traffic and a tenth and so 1534 01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:47,900 you got that and so there's a tremendous 1535 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:50,240 effort going on to protect that we're 1536 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:52,210 also very concerned about you know 1537 01:07:59,290 --> 01:07:56,690 things like for example you know control 1538 01:08:02,620 --> 01:07:59,300 systems and the ability for me to go 1539 01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:02,630 into a military location and control the 1540 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:04,220 dam and you know and open up the 1541 01:08:09,130 --> 01:08:07,250 floodgates or if you've got you know and 1542 01:08:11,290 --> 01:08:09,140 how we're able to do that so there's a 1543 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:11,300 tremendous like focus right now on cyber 1544 01:08:17,940 --> 01:08:15,250 security which I needs to be and to also 1545 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:17,950 consolidate systems to get into better 1546 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:22,250 like data centers and looking at how 1547 01:08:27,849 --> 01:08:24,770 were defended on our networks and and by 1548 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:27,859 the way who's on them some of the 1549 01:08:32,260 --> 01:08:30,290 concerns we've had are that you know if 1550 01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:32,270 you take a look at even in building 1551 01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:34,040 weapons systems stuff like that well 1552 01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:37,630 sometimes you know we use we use the 1553 01:08:43,090 --> 01:08:40,630 universities to do some studies well 1554 01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:43,100 who's in the universities that has 1555 01:08:47,230 --> 01:08:45,710 access to something like that well you 1556 01:08:49,390 --> 01:08:47,240 find out a lot of the students that are 1557 01:08:52,990 --> 01:08:49,400 there are foreign students who are 1558 01:08:56,530 --> 01:08:53,000 coming in very knowledgeable you know 1559 01:08:58,510 --> 01:08:56,540 and are they providing information and 1560 01:09:00,970 --> 01:08:58,520 then you have the issue where we go into 1561 01:09:03,250 --> 01:09:00,980 other countries and like China and they 1562 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:03,260 want to be able to have you provide over 1563 01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:05,810 the text with diagrams and various other 1564 01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,190 things of the things you want to be able 1565 01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:09,440 to do in our country so we're getting up 1566 01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:11,630 the farm is what I'm trying to say a lot 1567 01:09:17,410 --> 01:09:14,450 of times and we talk too much and we 1568 01:09:20,050 --> 01:09:17,420 also share a lot and so going back to 1569 01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:20,060 the analogy with the UFO thing if we're 1570 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:21,980 looking at this technology and we're 1571 01:09:25,690 --> 01:09:24,410 coming up with ideas like I just got 1572 01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:25,700 through telling you about this patent 1573 01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:28,100 mmm-hmm how much are we giving up the 1574 01:09:34,780 --> 01:09:32,750 farm in that and and now do we want to 1575 01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:34,790 participate more protective and more 1576 01:09:39,460 --> 01:09:37,310 secure and the answer I would say to you 1577 01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:39,470 is we want to be more secure as a 1578 01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:43,520 country because ultimately all the other 1579 01:09:48,849 --> 01:09:44,839 countries are out trying to build 1580 01:09:51,490 --> 01:09:48,859 hypersonic weapons and weapons that can 1581 01:09:54,460 --> 01:09:51,500 defeat everything that we're doing and 1582 01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:54,470 you know why wouldn't we want to be the 1583 01:10:01,060 --> 01:09:57,110 best defended country around so I think 1584 01:10:03,540 --> 01:10:01,070 that we need to really get honest and 1585 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:03,550 say that we can't be as open as we like 1586 01:10:12,490 --> 01:10:06,650 and we need to do a better job of 1587 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:12,500 protecting what we do have yes yes and 1588 01:10:18,850 --> 01:10:16,330 but also do you think that as far as 1589 01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,860 classified I think last time you were on 1590 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:20,480 the show where you were talking about 1591 01:10:28,660 --> 01:10:24,410 you were getting some FOIA documents and 1592 01:10:31,570 --> 01:10:28,670 is that also something that they 1593 01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:31,580 assigned the SCU is actually heavily 1594 01:10:38,050 --> 01:10:34,430 involved in on encases is getting you 1595 01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:38,060 know the government documents oh yes I 1596 01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:40,280 mean if you take a look at it well if 1597 01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,990 you take a look at our report and it's 1598 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:43,520 not just us there's a whole bunch of 1599 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:44,570 people I mean my god 1600 01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,490 dia must have been pummeled and they 1601 01:10:51,370 --> 01:10:49,040 were pumping pummeled by requests before 1602 01:10:54,370 --> 01:10:51,380 you uh you know releases and stuff like 1603 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:54,380 that as a result of just those videos 1604 01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:55,730 and things like that oh yeah 1605 01:10:59,890 --> 01:10:56,840 and everyone was trying to find out 1606 01:11:01,810 --> 01:10:59,900 where where is a tip and who does it 1607 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:01,820 support to and and you know and 1608 01:11:04,690 --> 01:11:03,650 everything else so yeah it's for 1609 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:04,700 requests 1610 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:08,090 basically pummeled a lot of countries 1611 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:10,310 including okay I mean Nick Pope would 1612 01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:11,690 probably tell you about what they had in 1613 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:13,940 the UK I mean part of the reason why 1614 01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:15,890 that they went to doing the releases 1615 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:17,210 stuff like that was because they were 1616 01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:19,250 being pummeled with these requests for 1617 01:11:26,230 --> 01:11:22,940 information and so we have a whole 1618 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:26,240 section in our reports that are 1619 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:28,850 dedicated to strictly just all the FOIA 1620 01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:30,890 requests that we attempted and it didn't 1621 01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:34,750 come out so we do try to get what we can 1622 01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:37,820 and we understand when it's blacked out 1623 01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,310 there is probably a very good reason for 1624 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:43,280 it being blacked out and you know and 1625 01:11:51,940 --> 01:11:48,650 take a look at the Moller report you 1626 01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:51,950 know and there's justifiable reasons for 1627 01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:54,440 some of those things you know like the 1628 01:11:58,960 --> 01:11:57,410 videos often don't have all of the Nimet 1629 01:12:00,880 --> 01:11:58,970 space they were cleansed to the point 1630 01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:00,890 where they didn't have the GPS locations 1631 01:12:04,150 --> 01:12:03,020 well why is that important because we 1632 01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:04,160 don't want to announce where we're doing 1633 01:12:09,850 --> 01:12:08,030 our exercises yeah let's advise the 1634 01:12:12,250 --> 01:12:09,860 Chinese or the Russians or somebody else 1635 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:12,260 oh you know over so we know where we're 1636 01:12:16,990 --> 01:12:15,170 gonna be and now they could be out doing 1637 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:17,000 all kinds of things to interact with 1638 01:12:23,050 --> 01:12:19,730 that I'm sure you've probably heard that 1639 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:23,060 there's been controversy on of people 1640 01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:24,650 saying that you know there's no real 1641 01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:27,200 clear record on how those those videos 1642 01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:30,260 are released and in I don't know have 1643 01:12:34,990 --> 01:12:31,520 you been following into the back and 1644 01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:35,000 forth on that yeah and we finally got 1645 01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:38,960 those the the document that was released 1646 01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:41,300 I think George Knapp released it that 1647 01:12:45,790 --> 01:12:43,190 showed that the release happened and I 1648 01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:45,800 talked with Lou and and Lou indicated 1649 01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:47,780 that you know there are reasons why you 1650 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:48,770 don't you list 1651 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:50,690 you know balloons and various other 1652 01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:52,250 things in the Department of Defense 1653 01:12:57,790 --> 01:12:54,380 instead of putting the word UFO on it 1654 01:13:00,100 --> 01:12:57,800 right so you know bottom line was it was 1655 01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:00,110 cleared for release and any provided 1656 01:13:06,670 --> 01:13:03,710 document now the big controversy is did 1657 01:13:08,860 --> 01:13:06,680 did will work for a tip and let's see if 1658 01:13:10,690 --> 01:13:08,870 we can find a document that's out there 1659 01:13:13,150 --> 01:13:10,700 that shows who did that well there's 1660 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:13,160 many documents top this he's doing that 1661 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:15,410 so there's an attempt right now to 1662 01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:17,810 discredit Lou and yeah that he's not he 1663 01:13:23,020 --> 01:13:18,620 wasn't connected 1664 01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,030 a tip well that's that's malarkey you 1665 01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:25,040 had contractors that we had to report to 1666 01:13:30,460 --> 01:13:27,020 him there are people up there I mean 1667 01:13:32,590 --> 01:13:30,470 that had to interact with him and I 1668 01:13:35,770 --> 01:13:32,600 don't care what this DoD spokesman said 1669 01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:35,780 the DoD spokesman bot oh by the way also 1670 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:37,490 previously said that there was no 1671 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:43,370 program on UFOs they were saying that 1672 01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:47,090 same thing spokesman I'm sorry but you 1673 01:13:51,670 --> 01:13:49,400 know go to a spokesman you know if I go 1674 01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:51,680 to the DoD you only share this like the 1675 01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:56,690 DoD says this or they save that right do 1676 01:14:03,370 --> 01:13:58,730 you believe that that's representative 1677 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:03,380 of everybody in the DoD no it's it's 1678 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,810 basically somebody that you know the 1679 01:14:10,030 --> 01:14:07,730 public affairs office may be that might 1680 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:10,040 be responding and that's based upon the 1681 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:13,010 information that they have so you know 1682 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:16,130 FOIA requests are not handled 1683 01:14:22,330 --> 01:14:19,370 consistently there there's I can tell 1684 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:22,340 you this much then I pointed this I my 1685 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:24,650 computer's chock-full of UFO information 1686 01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,050 on it and it's an army computer right 1687 01:14:31,090 --> 01:14:29,600 and you know three McKinnon wanted if I 1688 01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:31,100 meant do it you would have a field day 1689 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:34,540 as fine and say now that the entire army 1690 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:37,010 so I see where you're going with that 1691 01:14:49,870 --> 01:14:46,010 yeah so it's pretty funny you know about 1692 01:14:51,670 --> 01:14:49,880 the DoD or how it works and apparent a 1693 01:14:55,150 --> 01:14:51,680 lot of people just don't understand it 1694 01:14:57,940 --> 01:14:55,160 and why did they do what they do is mr. 1695 01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:57,950 mr. but the people on the inside of a 1696 01:15:02,260 --> 01:14:59,630 bender but they understand completely 1697 01:15:03,670 --> 01:15:02,270 and and then they kind of like laugh of 1698 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:03,680 what they see that's out there in the 1699 01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:07,130 and the unclasp role but yeah anyway why 1700 01:15:10,660 --> 01:15:08,630 do you think um you just said you don't 1701 01:15:14,290 --> 01:15:10,670 know why they do it I I don't I don't 1702 01:15:16,890 --> 01:15:14,300 know why either but you know why would 1703 01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:16,900 you suppose do you think there's so I 1704 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:19,550 always try to figure out motives and why 1705 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:21,290 someone would try to discredit this 1706 01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:23,930 whole thing and and say it's all hogwash 1707 01:15:32,379 --> 01:15:30,110 and and I don't really get it well I do 1708 01:15:34,899 --> 01:15:32,389 let me Louie even told you 1709 01:15:36,909 --> 01:15:34,909 that he said he basically said look I 1710 01:15:39,699 --> 01:15:36,919 ran into problems where people wanted to 1711 01:15:41,529 --> 01:15:39,709 keep this thing quiet and people it was 1712 01:15:45,009 --> 01:15:41,539 against their religious beliefs it was 1713 01:15:48,459 --> 01:15:45,019 against whatever they so he experienced 1714 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:48,469 that pushback which my experience well 1715 01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:50,389 on a lot of different things that I do 1716 01:15:56,939 --> 01:15:53,630 where there's pushback and and you know 1717 01:15:59,979 --> 01:15:56,949 not everybody thinks the same way and so 1718 01:16:02,649 --> 01:15:59,989 you know bottom line might be an element 1719 01:16:04,509 --> 01:16:02,659 within the DoD that says well we need to 1720 01:16:06,489 --> 01:16:04,519 silence this but at the same time 1721 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:06,499 somebody else is saying that we need to 1722 01:16:11,859 --> 01:16:09,530 open up more or when you do that and so 1723 01:16:13,689 --> 01:16:11,869 you have differences of opinions and you 1724 01:16:16,569 --> 01:16:13,699 have differences of people knowing 1725 01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:16,579 certain types of data and information 1726 01:16:22,179 --> 01:16:19,369 you know just the same as you do in 1727 01:16:24,069 --> 01:16:22,189 talking to people and the regular world 1728 01:16:26,949 --> 01:16:24,079 that you know you'll get different 1729 01:16:28,509 --> 01:16:26,959 opinions you'll get different different 1730 01:16:29,979 --> 01:16:28,519 statements from people I can go talk to 1731 01:16:32,139 --> 01:16:29,989 two people over where I'm at right now 1732 01:16:34,659 --> 01:16:32,149 and get two different two different 1733 01:16:37,419 --> 01:16:34,669 statements and have them you know but 1734 01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:37,429 they'll be contradictory and so that's 1735 01:16:41,979 --> 01:16:39,260 just an inner of these silos that are 1736 01:16:44,169 --> 01:16:41,989 out there in the DoD world where 1737 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:44,179 information is not easily shared across 1738 01:16:48,009 --> 01:16:47,090 it and and and there's then you're 1739 01:16:50,529 --> 01:16:48,019 running into problems with 1740 01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:50,539 classification sometimes where that well 1741 01:16:54,639 --> 01:16:52,550 can't talk about it and so okay then 1742 01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:54,649 you're trying to figure out what are you 1743 01:16:57,850 --> 01:16:56,209 trying to say well I can't tell you 1744 01:17:02,939 --> 01:16:57,860 everything I want to say what am I 1745 01:17:07,419 --> 01:17:02,949 supposed to do with that hmm yeah so 1746 01:17:11,219 --> 01:17:07,429 okay well no I I think it's interesting 1747 01:17:14,649 --> 01:17:11,229 in you know I didn't really look at it 1748 01:17:17,709 --> 01:17:14,659 until you just mentioned I didn't look 1749 01:17:20,169 --> 01:17:17,719 at why why people may have a reason to 1750 01:17:21,850 --> 01:17:20,179 try to discredit and no I understand 1751 01:17:24,370 --> 01:17:21,860 what you're saying I'm gonna open the 1752 01:17:26,589 --> 01:17:24,380 line up if anyone wants to call in with 1753 01:17:28,839 --> 01:17:26,599 a question that phone number six oh 1754 01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:28,849 three nine six seven four OH three oh 1755 01:17:36,879 --> 01:17:31,550 and if you have a question for our guest 1756 01:17:39,129 --> 01:17:36,889 please give us a ring so as far as the 1757 01:17:43,409 --> 01:17:39,139 cases that you have worked on in the 1758 01:17:48,570 --> 01:17:43,419 past what what would you consider the 1759 01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:51,190 most fascinating case yeah well I've had 1760 01:17:58,990 --> 01:17:56,000 I I've had you know I didn't working on 1761 01:18:02,290 --> 01:17:59,000 that case in 2013 1762 01:18:04,510 --> 01:18:02,300 I mean I'm obviously things like 1763 01:18:06,730 --> 01:18:04,520 Aguadilla and the Nimitz case are just 1764 01:18:09,220 --> 01:18:06,740 really really good but in the past I in 1765 01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:09,230 2013 I also I had a pilot case that was 1766 01:18:19,090 --> 01:18:13,220 pretty fascinating for a small private 1767 01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:19,100 pilot was flying along near southern 1768 01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:22,870 mississippi and and basically he had a 1769 01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,250 basically an object that came up about 1770 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:28,000 four foot in diameter that was you know 1771 01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:31,730 like kind of like a disc shape if you 1772 01:18:36,730 --> 01:18:34,820 would there was no protrusions or ports 1773 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:36,740 or anything like that on it and then 1774 01:18:41,980 --> 01:18:40,130 that bottom line it came underneath the 1775 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:41,990 wing of his aircraft and it was 1776 01:18:47,170 --> 01:18:44,110 following along as he was going at about 1777 01:18:48,820 --> 01:18:47,180 you know roughly about maybe 2,000 feet 1778 01:18:51,190 --> 01:18:48,830 altitude and I'm trying to remember all 1779 01:18:54,190 --> 01:18:51,200 the details that he was in moving about 1780 01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:54,200 maybe 254 miles an hour and so he's 1781 01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:55,970 flying along it was a beautiful day and 1782 01:18:59,470 --> 01:18:58,130 he looks over underneath his wing and 1783 01:19:02,560 --> 01:18:59,480 here's a five dick that's right there 1784 01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:02,570 that's moving along with him and uh and 1785 01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:05,870 then so just as query was concerned 1786 01:19:09,010 --> 01:19:07,490 about what what it was doing it he kept 1787 01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:09,020 like looking at it then even look bad 1788 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:10,790 and then the next thing you know is that 1789 01:19:17,980 --> 01:19:13,730 it started to like move behind him and 1790 01:19:19,390 --> 01:19:17,990 fall back well we thought you know ok 1791 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:19,400 well that's a pretty interesting thing 1792 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:20,810 and tried to do everything we could to 1793 01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:25,130 find out about it laughs at all so let's 1794 01:19:31,630 --> 01:19:27,230 get some radar data we went to six radar 1795 01:19:35,380 --> 01:19:31,640 sites and got the FAA data and had that 1796 01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,390 data looked at and interesting enough we 1797 01:19:40,090 --> 01:19:37,760 found his plane flying along on one of 1798 01:19:42,460 --> 01:19:40,100 the radars and then on another radar 1799 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:42,470 that has to be in Alabama we were able 1800 01:19:47,230 --> 01:19:44,690 to get the radar track of the object 1801 01:19:49,420 --> 01:19:47,240 which then showed that it was moving and 1802 01:19:52,090 --> 01:19:49,430 making some very interesting speed 1803 01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:52,100 changes and direction changes like 120 1804 01:19:57,940 --> 01:19:55,790 degree change the drop back from the 254 1805 01:20:00,050 --> 01:19:57,950 miles maybe an hour to something like 1806 01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:00,060 about 35 miles an hour 1807 01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:03,300 and then you know and so so we had that 1808 01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:05,490 radar track for that so that you know it 1809 01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:07,860 to me the most exciting cases are when 1810 01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:10,260 you can get some multi-sensory kinds of 1811 01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:13,860 like information or or you have multiple 1812 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:19,110 witness cases that happen I've had you 1813 01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,090 know other cases you know where people 1814 01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,080 have seen some things like the triangles 1815 01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:27,000 I've had triangle cases that were over 1816 01:20:34,690 --> 01:20:29,400 for example during military exercises of 1817 01:20:37,190 --> 01:20:34,700 live-fire was a live-fire exercise army 1818 01:20:39,620 --> 01:20:37,200 incident that was going on down in in 1819 01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:39,630 Southern Mississippi and they were doing 1820 01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:42,300 an exercise and you had one of the 1821 01:20:48,020 --> 01:20:45,270 soldiers happen to look up and in 1822 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:48,030 another soldier have to see it too while 1823 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:49,890 they're doing the live-fire exercise and 1824 01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:51,210 all sort of stuff that there was a 1825 01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:53,130 triangle-shaped object it was just above 1826 01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:55,140 them and watching kind of things going 1827 01:21:01,160 --> 01:20:58,920 on and then I had another case over in 1828 01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:01,170 Mississippi where you have an individual 1829 01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,110 who was an ex-sheriff this is an 1830 01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:06,960 enormous asipi and and he's basically 1831 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:10,140 out one night and happens to look up and 1832 01:21:16,420 --> 01:21:12,930 see three objects moving in crisis 1833 01:21:20,690 --> 01:21:16,430 dry-ass a small or kinda like object 1834 01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:20,700 being followed by a helicopter which was 1835 01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:23,580 also followed by a triangular shaped 1836 01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:27,510 object and they were moving across the 1837 01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:32,840 sky he happened to apparently he was 1838 01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:37,560 somehow he was conversing with he he he 1839 01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:39,630 was out in his backyard I'm trying 1840 01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:41,400 remember all the details on this and 1841 01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:44,460 there was like a field behind him and he 1842 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:47,150 goes back in the field hears voices and 1843 01:21:53,740 --> 01:21:49,650 apparently and there was like military 1844 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:53,750 are wearing black camo kind of you know 1845 01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:56,130 uniformed military type uniforms that 1846 01:22:00,650 --> 01:21:59,460 were back there and a guy hat around his 1847 01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:00,660 neck you know you know those like 1848 01:22:07,250 --> 01:22:05,280 cigarettes that the ladies for and maybe 1849 01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,260 New York City back in the forties where 1850 01:22:10,940 --> 01:22:08,880 they had the strap around their neck and 1851 01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,950 they had some sort of a flat thing and 1852 01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:12,000 they were walking around selling 1853 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:12,600 cigarettes 1854 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:13,770 oh yeah mm-hmm so 1855 01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,810 heeey this was almost like a 1856 01:22:19,610 --> 01:22:18,000 remote-control device that he had around 1857 01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:19,620 his neck and he's doing some sort of 1858 01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:20,730 remote control thing 1859 01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:22,710 well they immediately told him to get 1860 01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:24,450 out of the woods well this private I 1861 01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:27,180 mean like a private property that not 1862 01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:29,730 theirs and it's like so anyway he got 1863 01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:32,760 and they told him to shut up and he 1864 01:22:39,860 --> 01:22:35,820 didn't see anything and so please and 1865 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:39,870 then assign an investigator for us from 1866 01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:41,250 southern part of Mississippi to get 1867 01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:42,510 ahold of him and the next thing you know 1868 01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,450 he's having a conversation with it back 1869 01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:48,360 and forth and this was like a couple 1870 01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:51,030 days later that he had a knock on the 1871 01:22:56,740 --> 01:22:54,510 door and somebody came dressed up and 1872 01:23:00,320 --> 01:22:56,750 like a suit or something like that and 1873 01:23:02,090 --> 01:23:00,330 and was holding up the emails that he 1874 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:02,100 was having with my field investigator 1875 01:23:07,940 --> 01:23:05,130 and said we I thought we told you not to 1876 01:23:12,260 --> 01:23:07,950 be talking about this oh my goodness Wow 1877 01:23:13,340 --> 01:23:12,270 so he basically shut up and he wouldn't 1878 01:23:17,150 --> 01:23:13,350 talk about it anymore 1879 01:23:20,210 --> 01:23:17,160 and so I've had cases like that I've had 1880 01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:20,220 cases where I've had other the it was 1881 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:22,650 featured on the front page of The 1882 01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:24,650 National Enquirer 1883 01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:27,840 Pratt got ahold of it back in the 73 1884 01:23:33,710 --> 01:23:31,440 time period I was with patrolman Bob 1885 01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:33,720 bales and and there were like 30 1886 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:35,460 residents are all and watching this 1887 01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:37,170 object that was doing some incredible 1888 01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:38,880 stuff and it eventually went over the 1889 01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:42,600 patrol car and he had a camera and took 1890 01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:43,980 a picture of it it was spotted across 1891 01:23:53,540 --> 01:23:48,000 the all that but 30 witnesses all seeing 1892 01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:53,550 this thing and it was an odd object that 1893 01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,960 was pretty impressive and then I had 1894 01:24:01,070 --> 01:23:59,280 encounters where I was getting a UFO 1895 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:01,080 presentation at wright-patterson Air 1896 01:24:07,070 --> 01:24:03,090 Force Base to the people done it for in 1897 01:24:11,420 --> 01:24:07,080 technology division or both and and when 1898 01:24:14,450 --> 01:24:11,430 I would have I had an one officer said 1899 01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:14,460 well I'm a pilot and my job like gotten 1900 01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:16,200 so on these things and they come back 1901 01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:20,490 and they would take my film and I would 1902 01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:22,920 be not supposed to be talking about it 1903 01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:24,780 and here he was Ptolemy's and private 1904 01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,100 about it 1905 01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:29,040 then I heard landing cases where you'd 1906 01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:31,590 have effects and I mentioned the 70 foot 1907 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:33,750 diameter area yeah well in Carrollton 1908 01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:37,050 Ohio back in the mid 70s so I've had a 1909 01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,120 lot of very very interesting cases I had 1910 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:43,920 quite a number of them when I was like 1911 01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,690 here in Alabama I was a state director 1912 01:24:50,150 --> 01:24:47,520 and so I was investigating a lot of the 1913 01:24:52,940 --> 01:24:50,160 cases here and then of course the ones 1914 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:52,950 back in Dayton a lot of interesting 1915 01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:54,930 cases as well and some of those weren't 1916 01:25:02,120 --> 01:24:57,150 involved like I said a bullet book 1917 01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:02,130 officer I would be I had been 73 I mean 1918 01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:04,260 that was just a wild and crazy time I 1919 01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:06,150 couldn't even keep up with the reports 1920 01:25:11,540 --> 01:25:08,490 that were coming in but you had 1921 01:25:15,290 --> 01:25:11,550 everything from landings to do name it I 1922 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:15,300 mean it was it was a crazy time Wow 1923 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:17,970 though those are just a few of the cases 1924 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:21,050 that I've dealt with and I've seen I 1925 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:23,010 have heard some of the incredible 1926 01:25:28,220 --> 01:25:25,380 stories I can't begin to tell you that 1927 01:25:29,660 --> 01:25:28,230 that's amazing those I love to hear 1928 01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:29,670 about cases that I haven't heard about 1929 01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:31,890 before and who pose a real some real 1930 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:34,560 good ones yeah recently you mentioned 1931 01:25:40,610 --> 01:25:37,410 this the pilot and the encounters 1932 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:40,620 they're going back to what we talked 1933 01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:42,090 briefly about at some point the 1934 01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:44,910 different videos that were released one 1935 01:25:51,650 --> 01:25:47,250 of them is as the nickname the gimbal 1936 01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:51,660 and the giggle UFO and that was shot by 1937 01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:55,350 I believe in new technology I believe 1938 01:26:00,200 --> 01:25:57,540 that's two in two thousand fourteen or 1939 01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:00,210 fifteen around there off off the East 1940 01:26:06,380 --> 01:26:04,860 Coast and someone had wrote now I 1941 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:06,390 haven't seen any article but someone 1942 01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:08,370 wrote me an email saying that seth 1943 01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:11,400 shostack is from SETI the senior 1944 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:16,410 scientists at SETI had either written or 1945 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:17,970 maybe talked on his show he does a show 1946 01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:19,970 on science it's actually really good 1947 01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,710 that that with new technology you have 1948 01:26:30,500 --> 01:26:27,360 anomalies in other words he's already 1949 01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:30,510 explaining this away as something that 1950 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:33,060 is just an anomaly that has nothing to 1951 01:26:40,010 --> 01:26:37,530 do with you know UFOs yeah I love that 1952 01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:40,020 kind of like logic let me go 1953 01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:42,270 you're talking about you're talking 1954 01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:44,940 about state-of-the-art equipment that 1955 01:26:50,540 --> 01:26:47,460 basically is being placed on military 1956 01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:50,550 aircraft and and by the way it's not 1957 01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:52,590 just on the aircraft but you're talking 1958 01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:55,500 you got the aegis system that we have on 1959 01:27:00,200 --> 01:26:58,290 ships and you've got so many blasted 1960 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:00,210 sensors and different kinds of radars 1961 01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:02,010 I mean if you take a look at the sheer 1962 01:27:07,130 --> 01:27:04,710 volume of technology aboard the the 1963 01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:07,140 Nimitz and that type thing it's it's 1964 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:08,910 really phenomenal but going back to the 1965 01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:11,730 aircraft the aircraft have on an AVR 1966 01:27:17,450 --> 01:27:14,430 these things are tested to the nth 1967 01:27:21,140 --> 01:27:17,460 degree they have capabilities that can 1968 01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:21,150 go down and and the incredible level you 1969 01:27:26,330 --> 01:27:23,489 know the thermal imaging can probably 1970 01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,340 detect a hundreds of degree variants and 1971 01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:29,520 temperatures you can you can you can 1972 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:33,210 catch so you know yeah right I believe 1973 01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:34,890 that 1974 01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:37,500 multiple aircraft using the 1975 01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:39,620 state-of-the-art kind of technology or 1976 01:27:45,170 --> 01:27:42,150 experiencing kinds of problems like that 1977 01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:45,180 and they happen to show up video ok you 1978 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:48,540 know give me a break and it you know and 1979 01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,530 it's just where you have you know you 1980 01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:54,960 have people out there that just can't 1981 01:27:59,840 --> 01:27:57,960 either accept it or they just I mean I 1982 01:28:02,900 --> 01:27:59,850 saw something where somebody's name you 1983 01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:02,910 know so you had a journalist it goes out 1984 01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:05,520 to for example and they want to put 1985 01:28:09,170 --> 01:28:06,719 something together they go out and they 1986 01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:09,180 find a scientist somewhere well give me 1987 01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,860 your thoughts you're a scientist you 1988 01:28:15,020 --> 01:28:12,719 know paint big tell me what you think 1989 01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:15,030 about this thing and so they they come 1990 01:28:20,209 --> 01:28:18,090 up well they were all hallucinations or 1991 01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:20,219 you know that people can do this and you 1992 01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:22,230 can people can do that yeah massively 1993 01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,670 deletions yeah mm-hmm so how how long 1994 01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,520 did you spend studying this well I've 1995 01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,560 never seen it I've only I just saw the 1996 01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:33,900 video okay so they don't talk about that 1997 01:28:38,690 --> 01:28:35,910 so now you've got the article being 1998 01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,700 written where scientists saved it yeah 1999 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:41,040 and the rest of us are going and saying 2000 01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,170 oh my god you know if that's what it's 2001 01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:45,840 gotta be it I don't do that well excuse 2002 01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:47,489 me but you know when you're doing 2003 01:28:51,260 --> 01:28:49,620 science you follow the data and the data 2004 01:28:53,899 --> 01:28:51,270 should take your where you're gonna make 2005 01:28:55,939 --> 01:28:53,909 conclusions and the data is 2006 01:28:58,010 --> 01:28:55,949 without it's not even really even about 2007 01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:58,020 too much in the way of testimony because 2008 01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:00,960 testimony from healings is also saw 2009 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:03,449 fraught with all kinds of memory issues 2010 01:29:08,959 --> 01:29:06,170 and fraught with problems and 2011 01:29:11,209 --> 01:29:08,969 interpretations and so guess what the 30 2012 01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,219 people that all saw the same object back 2013 01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:12,960 and I was talking about they all have 2014 01:29:16,490 --> 01:29:15,000 different ways of describing it saw 2015 01:29:18,620 --> 01:29:16,500 different things and heard different 2016 01:29:20,450 --> 01:29:18,630 things and that type stuff so you're 2017 01:29:22,580 --> 01:29:20,460 gonna always experience variants of that 2018 01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:22,590 but I mean the bottom line there is that 2019 01:29:28,939 --> 01:29:26,159 you know the data doesn't lie so if you 2020 01:29:30,410 --> 01:29:28,949 can get data that that's great and you 2021 01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:30,420 should follow the data as much you can 2022 01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:33,449 now when you don't have data like if I'm 2023 01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,250 waiting for the radar to come from that 2024 01:29:39,169 --> 01:29:37,199 system which I'd love to be able to have 2025 01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:39,179 and I'd love to be able to have all of 2026 01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:41,489 the other kinds of stuff that was 2027 01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:42,840 probably tracking it like if they were 2028 01:29:46,850 --> 01:29:45,060 sonar you know I'd love to be able to 2029 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:46,860 have that because science can do 2030 01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:49,530 something with that but bottom line is 2031 01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:51,449 and we're trying to work through it 2032 01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:53,310 we'd love to be able to you know be on 2033 01:29:58,399 --> 01:29:55,800 the side to be able to have that access 2034 01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,409 to look at that and use those PhDs lay 2035 01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:00,960 on top of em effectively but 2036 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:04,380 nevertheless yeah technology doesn't 2037 01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:05,850 have problems and hiccups 2038 01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:08,730 you can't let's go back to the good old 2039 01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:11,310 days in the early days when it used to 2040 01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:13,739 have all kinds of interference and stuff 2041 01:30:21,470 --> 01:30:16,770 like that Waldo radar system back in the 2042 01:30:25,970 --> 01:30:21,480 fifties are not what they are in 2019 2043 01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:25,980 okay so we have to romantically approve 2044 01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:28,409 those things and there tell abraded they 2045 01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,710 looked at to the nth degree and I'm 2046 01:30:37,820 --> 01:30:33,840 sorry it's just somebody looking to make 2047 01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:37,830 excuse or speculate which is what a lot 2048 01:30:43,850 --> 01:30:41,070 of people like to do yeah yeah yeah I 2049 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:43,860 wasn't that surprised when I when I got 2050 01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:49,530 that email yeah you know yeah now you 2051 01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:51,860 were going talking earlier about this 2052 01:30:57,709 --> 01:30:55,440 this theory of technology that could do 2053 01:31:00,919 --> 01:30:57,719 things like the tic-tac and I think 2054 01:31:04,580 --> 01:31:00,929 there are there are purportedly people 2055 01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:04,590 or a person saying that you know those 2056 01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:07,360 things actually went below the surface 2057 01:31:14,190 --> 01:31:10,920 and we're tracked at an enormous speeds 2058 01:31:16,260 --> 01:31:14,200 through sonar I don't know if you heard 2059 01:31:20,430 --> 01:31:16,270 that part of it or not and I don't know 2060 01:31:23,490 --> 01:31:20,440 if that's been vetted properly and all 2061 01:31:24,930 --> 01:31:23,500 that but five hundred knots recorded at 2062 01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:24,940 five hundred knots have you heard any of 2063 01:31:31,740 --> 01:31:28,930 that part of it I've heard of it uh when 2064 01:31:34,860 --> 01:31:31,750 we did our report we did we would kept 2065 01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:34,870 asking did did the Louisville happen to 2066 01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:37,990 fight any or catch anything on its own 2067 01:31:44,970 --> 01:31:40,540 are just like we were asking if the e-2 2068 01:31:47,730 --> 01:31:44,980 Hawkeye had any great art mm-hmm and the 2069 01:31:49,470 --> 01:31:47,740 answer that we got at the time talking 2070 01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:49,480 with the witnesses that we could get to 2071 01:31:53,190 --> 01:31:51,550 talk we talked with like I can't 2072 01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:53,200 remember like how many people we talked 2073 01:31:59,130 --> 01:31:56,130 with but we talked a lot of people and 2074 01:32:01,260 --> 01:31:59,140 looking for that and the bottom line 2075 01:32:03,930 --> 01:32:01,270 it's time was that we didn't really get 2076 01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:03,940 any indication the sonar was captured 2077 01:32:08,010 --> 01:32:05,560 look at that like you know people like 2078 01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,020 Kevin Bay and other if you have any 2079 01:32:19,470 --> 01:32:10,960 awareness of that and then you know and 2080 01:32:24,050 --> 01:32:19,480 the answer is no now that maybe some of 2081 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:27,930 captured well we look at it like this 2082 01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:31,810 you know and that's great it's another 2083 01:32:36,570 --> 01:32:34,240 piece of testimony we're talking about 2084 01:32:38,340 --> 01:32:36,580 an incident for you know many many moons 2085 01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:38,350 ago we don't have any other independent 2086 01:32:43,470 --> 01:32:41,380 record what what to validate what that 2087 01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:43,480 person is saying so we just kind of 2088 01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:45,280 diminished that and we say maybe that 2089 01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:47,260 did maybe it didn't happen we don't have 2090 01:32:54,090 --> 01:32:49,450 any really solid evidence eyewitness 2091 01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:54,100 testimony on it uh and okay it's just 2092 01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:55,630 another one of those pieces of 2093 01:33:01,410 --> 01:32:58,960 information you get around the case and 2094 01:33:03,870 --> 01:33:01,420 we didn't try to focus as much on the 2095 01:33:06,930 --> 01:33:03,880 witness testimony as much as just 2096 01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:06,940 documenting what they were saying but at 2097 01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:10,450 the same time going into analysis well 2098 01:33:16,380 --> 01:33:13,270 what would hard to be like and trying to 2099 01:33:17,940 --> 01:33:16,390 look at the data from the video can we 2100 01:33:20,250 --> 01:33:17,950 determine anything from the video 2101 01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:20,260 evidence because that's that that was 2102 01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:21,449 that's where 2103 01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:25,840 yes-no is getting the data and uh you 2104 01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:28,030 get one saying yeah like you know okay 2105 01:33:32,189 --> 01:33:29,980 it's another piece of information and we 2106 01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:32,199 couldn't control it we can't confirm it 2107 01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:35,679 or deny it I mean okay maybe you did we 2108 01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:37,360 had talks of other people and said this 2109 01:33:42,959 --> 01:33:40,300 well there wasn't any and so now we're a 2110 01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:42,969 little bit in a quandary with that right 2111 01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:45,420 boy it sure would be nice to see that 2112 01:33:53,820 --> 01:33:48,880 the high definition video that 2113 01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,830 supposedly was was captured in scene it 2114 01:33:58,860 --> 01:33:55,360 looks like we have a caller I'm gonna 2115 01:34:00,180 --> 01:33:58,870 take that call now go ahead caller 2116 01:34:02,939 --> 01:34:00,190 welcome to the show what's your first 2117 01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:02,949 name and where you calling from hi this 2118 01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:06,130 is Robin from Brighton Colorado hi Robin 2119 01:34:11,729 --> 01:34:09,760 welcome to the show hi hi oh gosh and my 2120 01:34:15,629 --> 01:34:11,739 owner is this a commercial no you are 2121 01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:15,639 definitely on there oh shoot so you have 2122 01:34:23,129 --> 01:34:19,090 a question for our guest well I kind of 2123 01:34:26,879 --> 01:34:23,139 a general sort of question like I am the 2124 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:26,889 least non techie tech person I've ever 2125 01:34:33,810 --> 01:34:30,250 known but I was out with my hot tub one 2126 01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:33,820 night about 2:30 in the morning how did 2127 01:34:43,979 --> 01:34:40,409 how would I I have I took a photo okay 2128 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:43,989 when I saw this huge blast of light in 2129 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:48,370 this boom and I looked up and there was 2130 01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:51,010 this I don't even know how to describe 2131 01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:53,770 it there were like these three objects 2132 01:34:58,530 --> 01:34:55,570 coming toward me but then there was 2133 01:35:01,200 --> 01:34:58,540 something larger and by the time I got 2134 01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:01,210 out of the tub and grabbed my really old 2135 01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:04,719 awful cell phone and took a photo of it 2136 01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:07,360 all you could see is this the most 2137 01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:12,190 bizarre trail left in the sky how I 2138 01:35:18,990 --> 01:35:16,480 don't know how to like get the image off 2139 01:35:22,169 --> 01:35:19,000 of the phone I don't know how to do any 2140 01:35:30,990 --> 01:35:22,179 of that techie tech stuff right there 2141 01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:31,000 anyone yes yeah there is I'm sorry I 2142 01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:33,489 wish I had a more eloquent question for 2143 01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:36,880 your guests but I just happened at my 2144 01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:41,260 met my iPad was on and this came on and 2145 01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:43,810 I thought oh my gosh maybe somebody 2146 01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:46,510 could tell me how can I get this image 2147 01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:51,730 off of this phone yeah and and I I can 2148 01:35:58,379 --> 01:35:55,409 help you do that if you want I can give 2149 01:36:01,310 --> 01:35:58,389 I don't know how you want to do this but 2150 01:36:04,530 --> 01:36:01,320 I can get my contact information to 2151 01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:04,540 Martin I've had that happen over the 2152 01:36:06,750 --> 01:36:05,580 years when you're doing your 2153 01:36:08,879 --> 01:36:06,760 investigation 2154 01:36:12,810 --> 01:36:08,889 a lot of people are using and having or 2155 01:36:14,970 --> 01:36:12,820 the phone kind of things and kind of 2156 01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:14,980 phone and so like an iPhone does a 2157 01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:17,199 certain way and another phone does 2158 01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,440 another way and go ahead oh no I don't 2159 01:36:26,970 --> 01:36:25,360 want to interrupt I just I wish I had a 2160 01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,980 more eloquent question for you other 2161 01:36:31,950 --> 01:36:28,960 than oh my gosh these guys know UFOs 2162 01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:31,960 that oh well I don't know about that I 2163 01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:35,110 am so I apologize but if I could get 2164 01:36:37,919 --> 01:36:37,150 your information to have to tell 2165 01:36:40,410 --> 01:36:37,929 somebody 2166 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:40,420 tell me how to get this image on the 2167 01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:41,770 phone all right 2168 01:36:47,729 --> 01:36:45,850 well might be yeah interested in seeing 2169 01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:47,739 this well we only have a couple minutes 2170 01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:49,960 left to the show so why don't you just 2171 01:36:55,620 --> 01:36:52,750 email me just send me an email 2172 01:36:55,919 --> 01:36:55,630 Martin at podcast UFO and we'll go from 2173 01:37:03,350 --> 01:36:55,929 there 2174 01:37:05,729 --> 01:37:03,360 so thanks Martin yep at podcast UFO yeah 2175 01:37:07,620 --> 01:37:05,739 alright thank you and I'm so sorry and 2176 01:37:11,550 --> 01:37:07,630 y'all have a great night alright you too 2177 01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:11,560 alright so we just have a couple minutes 2178 01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:17,290 left rich and sure so I guess some I 2179 01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:20,230 would like to say that I'm glad that 2180 01:37:26,010 --> 01:37:22,449 you're doing what you're doing I'm 2181 01:37:29,010 --> 01:37:26,020 really happy that you are getting you 2182 01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:29,020 know all these PhDs that are taking this 2183 01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:32,710 thing seriously and yeah so the last 2184 01:37:36,930 --> 01:37:34,239 thing I can think of are you working on 2185 01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:36,940 anything that you haven't really talked 2186 01:37:43,859 --> 01:37:42,300 about that as a coalition yeah well 2187 01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:43,869 right now 2188 01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,210 what do we do we hop onto the USS 2189 01:37:50,910 --> 01:37:48,639 Roosevelt case there's a couple other 2190 01:37:52,830 --> 01:37:50,920 cases that are out there the USS USS 2191 01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:52,840 Bainbridge and there's also the USS 2192 01:37:59,129 --> 01:37:56,260 boxer the USS boxer goes back to 1998 2193 01:38:00,930 --> 01:37:59,139 it's also down in the San Diego area the 2194 01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:00,940 same general area where the Nimitz was 2195 01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:05,110 so we're probably gonna see if we can't 2196 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:09,310 you know focus maybe on that work I like 2197 01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:11,050 trying to decide right now what we're 2198 01:38:14,540 --> 01:38:13,150 doing with that we're doing a variety of 2199 01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:14,550 other studies what we're doing the 2200 01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:16,900 something like a it's like a 2201 01:38:22,109 --> 01:38:19,810 characteristic study of of States and 2202 01:38:26,129 --> 01:38:22,119 various other things over over time in 2203 01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:26,139 history we're also doing a USO kind of 2204 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:28,650 like project where we're looking at 2205 01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:31,810 documenting that doing analysis on you 2206 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:32,560 ourselves 2207 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:40,090 oh that's entirely so we're doing a lot 2208 01:38:44,580 --> 01:38:42,730 of different things I I'm heavily 2209 01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:44,590 engaged in setting up next year's 2210 01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:48,130 conference right now we're looking to 2211 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:49,630 try to get that squared away it'll 2212 01:38:54,839 --> 01:38:51,730 probably be a year from actually about 2213 01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:54,849 today well hey you know we're out of 2214 01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:57,280 time rich I'm sorry to say so okay 2215 01:38:59,820 --> 01:38:58,960 thanks so much it's it's been a real 2216 01:39:01,740 --> 01:38:59,830 pleasure as always 2217 01:39:02,879 --> 01:39:01,750 and hope to talk to you soon all right 2218 01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:02,889 all right 2219 01:39:12,419 --> 01:39:10,750 for listening that's it for our show and 2220 01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:12,429 we'll be back next week with Robbie 2221 01:39:18,689 --> 01:39:16,449 Graham and we are just plumb out of time